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FUJII:Its an article that has been circulated by many of the supporters of the <br />bill. <br />SIRACUSA:Okay, okay. Its in this. Thats what youre saying? <br />FUJII:Im not sure where, but -. <br />SIRACUSA:The previous testifiers. <br />FUJII:Yes, that is the correct article. <br />SIRACUSA:Okay. Im wondering, considering what youre saying about its not <br />relevant to Hawaii necessarily because it was done in the south and different size stores with <br />different types of services being offered, Im wondering how relevant this would be if we looked <br />atthosesameparameters.WhatPlanningDepartmentstaffsentouttousonthetripgeneration <br />that Commissioner Watanabe had requested, where do these figures come from? Do they come <br />from stores that are the same size that have the same type, you know, all of those same <br />parameters that this testifier was discussing. Are they just as invalid for this as for that? <br />YUEN:Well, this comes out of a Nationally recognized manual that is normally <br />used in doing, in estimating vehicle trips that would be generated by a particular type of retail <br />use and by the Institute of Transportation and Engineers, they have, and then we attached to it a <br />description of the type of store that each of these represents. Land Use Code A-13 is a free <br />standing discount superstore. They are, and then you see the description, its a free-standing <br />discount store and, which is also described. A free standing discount store is a thing like a Wal- <br />Mart or a K-Mart, with the exception that they also contain a full-service grocery department <br />under the same roof that shares entrances and exits with the discount store area. So this basically <br />describes a Wal-Mart supercenter. I mean, its the most typical type of retail establishment. <br />Now what the, then what the vehicle generation, the trip generation per thousand foot square <br />gross floor area, you see the comparisons? And we just took the averages. If we want to make it <br />a half inch thick we could have given all of the data but, and theres quite a variety, you know, <br />between one store and another store, between one super market and another super market. There <br />will be quite a variety and theres quite a range. But we took the averages, and you have the <br />averages here. So what this shows as a superstore is very much comparable to what we were <br />talking about in this bill. What it talks about as a supermarket is comparable to your typical <br />Safeway. Shopping center is a shopping center with a bunch of different kinds of stores in it; <br />and the discount store is like a big box retail establishment like a Wal-Mart or a K-Mart. <br />WATANABE:Are there any other questions? <br />SIRACUSA:No. Ill hold up. <br />WATANABE:Anyone else have any questions? Any other Commissioners? So, okay, <br />now Bryan? Is that right? <br />GAUTHIER:Greg, Gregory Gauthie (phonetic). <br />WATANABE:Greg Gauthier? <br />15 EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />