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corporations, the State of Hawaii made a very generous settlement of $600,000,000 to the <br />Department of Hawaiian Home. And I think thats a heck of a lot of money to put infrastructure <br />on, rather than to go get general leasing. So I would be opposed to it. I leave you with this one <br />caveat, that development in Hilo was allowed to happen again up in the Waiakea Uka area when <br />they wanted to develop there; and how it was developed, it was developed by the County of <br />Hawaii taking 25 acres of Hawaiian Home lands for the flood control. The flood control is there, <br />thats what allowed the upper parts of Hilo to be developed; and that flood control starts at the 4- <br />mile bridge, ascends right through the Department of Hawaiian Home lands, and its there. <br />Today Im ashamed to say that the County has not maintained it properly. Its overgrown again. <br />So it will create a problem at the next flood that comes down through that area. But I believe its <br />time that the County takes a stand. And, well, anyway, the Planning Commission does after <br />being correctly advised by your Corporation Counsel -. Please dont get me wrong. If you have <br />the right to do it, please by all means go ahead and do it. If you dont have the right to do it, <br />dont do it. And when I say the right, I mean the authority and the jurisdiction to do it based on <br />theHawaiianHomesCommissionAct,andalltheotheropinionsthatcameoutthatsaysyou <br />couldnt rezone, you couldnt do this. And what is being brought to light in the paper is that <br />theyre saying even if you created a ban were still going to go do it on Hawaiian Homes because <br />you dont have the authority to do it, to stop us anyway. So I think thats an arrogant attitude to <br />take in spite of the fact. And remember, what the Department of Hawaiian Home do does not <br />reflect on the beneficiaries. Hawaiian Home is a State entity, so thank you. <br />WATANABE:I understand your emotion. And, personally, to be honest with you, I think <br />Hawaiian Home lands should be used for the Hawaiians also. However, I think I should allow <br />our counsel to briefly explain to you that, and I think hes going to say this, that we really dont <br />have jurisdiction over them. Okay? <br />KAHAWAIOLAA:Well, I need for them to know. <br />WATANABE:And so with that Im going to turn it over to counsel. <br />KAHAWAIOLAA:Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman. <br />TORIGOE:Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wish that there was a real crystal clear simple <br />answer that can be given to this. I think generally speaking there is no case that really addresses <br />this exactly in Hawaii. What we end up with, I think the best thing we can probably say is that <br />with respect to commercial uses like this it becomes, you know, theres some question. It has not <br />been exactly decided. But I think what we fall back on at this point is that, what it boils down to <br />is that when you trace down what you can trace through the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act <br />and HRS, Chapter 171, that the placement of Commercial and Industrial and such business uses <br />is supposed to be at least consistent with County zoning requirements. And so basically the <br />County has entered into a memorandum of agreement with DHHL which tries to accomplish <br />that. Where there is a pallet of County zoning requirements, DHHL retains the ability to <br />designate what kind of zoning should apply to its lands, and then the County along with DHHL <br />administers that zoning consistent with other County zoning. So thats, I think, the most concise <br />answer I can give you. <br />WATANABE:Thank you. Are there any other questions from the Commissioners of the <br />testifier? No. <br />5 EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />