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involved at this point. And as Mr. Arnott stated we have to go through a very complex system, through the Army Corps of Engineers, dealing with these ponds to make sure that were taking care of these ponds through the Federal regulations. So Ive been dealing with that for the last 8 months; and so without that approval, or that process, we didnt feel it was adequate at that time to really get people too excited over nothing. So -. WATANABE:Thank you. Do any of the Commissioners have any -? Yes, Ms. Siracusa. SIRACUSA:Yes. One of the concerns of the community is that once the homes are built the children will not have access to those ponds. Would you address that, please. BARDEN:Absolutely. Weve talked about that and thats one of the points that Neri, our consultant brought up as well. The difficulty with that is that theres going to be an HOA thats going to be responsible for managing the grounds; and with the point of bringing in childrenintotheproperty,thenyouhavealiability;andthatskindofaconcernthattheHOA would have to agree to. As far as the private owners people inviting people or guests over, thats a stipulation of the HOA agreement that we build at that time. The idea behind this development is not to come in and put up big walls and block out the rest of the community. As you can see from our design and the density that we definitely want to make something that fits into the community as well as, you know, other people maybe in Keaukaha want to move into these units as well. So -. SIRACUSA:What is that acronym, HOA? WATANABE:Homeowners Association, theyre concerned recently about liability. BARDEN:So if a child were to fall into the pond and go unconscious or something or something or drown, then basically the landowner would be responsible; and I dont know how it works with the State or County lands, so -. HIGGINS:Other than the County acquiring the land, the homeowners association comprised of the residents of this site is the best way, I think to have perpetual maintenance of the property. Four individual lots wouldnt do it because everybody points to his problem. But 23 people that constitute a homeowners association perpetually will be able to maintain these ponds. WATANABE:I think though in that same vein the community is more concerned about whether there are actually fences going up. And it doesnt sound like thats what youre proposing. Do we have any other questions of the applicant? DOMINGO:Mr. Chairman? WATANABE:Yes. DOMINGO:It has been mentioned that on different occasions Apapane Street has been used as a bypass because of some accident or whatever, incidence preventing access on Kalanianaole Highway. How long is Apapane Street? Whats the length of that street? 26EXHIBIT A