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SPRINGER:Mr. Roland? <br />ROLAND:Okay. I understand that. Then we should just follow up that we€re <br />requesting the facility to be an over and out camping as opposed to just day camping. And it <br />seems that the problem with the overnight camping is the hale Hawaiian type structures with <br />grass roofs. And the programs that we would like include and that would utilize the project if we <br />can€t have Hawaiian structures we would still like to have an overnight camping component as <br />part of the operation. And the area is sort of isolated by itself in a very nice spot. And it€s very <br />conducive to overnight camping and I don€t know of any overnight camping facilities that <br />approaches what we want to do or exist but I understand that we would be allowed day camping. <br />So we€re asking for overnight camping in some form or another if we€re not able to build <br />structures there. And I don€t know if that is in the Planning Director€s mind or whether he€s <br />considered that aspect or not. <br />SPRINGER:Mr. Director can you respond to the request by the applicant? <br />YUEN:We looked at the request for camping in the hales and it was pretty clear <br />thatitwasn€tgoingtopassbuildingandfirecoderequirements.Thosekindsofstructuresasa <br />permanent structure for people to stay in overnight. So it was pretty easy to recommend denial <br />of that. I€m not ready to accept a special permit for overnight camping. At this point I€m still <br />recommending denial on strictly an overnight camping area. And it raises a question of what <br />kind of tourist economy you€re going to have. And so that€s and that€s the basic reason for <br />recommending denial at this point. If you were just talking about say having a lawn where <br />people had tents and you would have a facility. I guess you still have a bathroom facility for <br />them but then I would still recommend denial on that. You can still request it I€m just making a <br />recommendation. You can try to make your case to the Commission but that would be my <br />recommendation. <br />SPRINGER:Do you have any follow-up on that Mr. Roland? <br />ROLAND:Okay thank you. Well, we would hope that maybe the Planning <br />Commission would be, have greater latitudes in that regard. Because we€re going to have a <br />lodge where there€ll be various groups coming that will be controlled groups that will be <br />interacting with a National Park and other wilderness areas. And as a matter of economics to <br />make things affordable and available for young people and so forth we would like to on occasion <br />not like an ongoing thing or for something to the public. We would like to have that as an aspect <br />of what we€re doing. And, the site is really quite appropriate for it so it had suggested it to us <br />initially and that grew within our thinking. And so we€re hoping that somehow miraculously we <br />will be able to provide some of that. <br />SPRINGER:Thank you before we continue on through the recommendation sheet, <br />Commissioner Siracusa? <br />SIRACUSA:Yes I have some other, I had some confusion about calling these hales <br />permanent structures because it is my understanding that the pili grass has to be changed every <br />EXHIBIT B <br />5 <br /> <br />