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of the lots. So if you purchased the lot you might have an area where you could construct your <br />home, but a portion of your lot would be dedicated to the maintenance of the existing botanical <br />garden. And as you’ve noticed in the plan is that the place is, residence is in one corner, and that <br />would be able to be subdivided out and kept separate from the garden. So this is really an estate <br />planning issue. But we have not engineered the road so the location of the road, where it’s <br />exactly going to go, how it crosses gulches, that all has to be, has to be engineered. And at the <br />time the subdivision is laid out it will be. The likelihood is that there will not be 14 lots; it will <br />be a number less than that. Fourteen is the maximum lots that could be created. But that’s the <br />process. <br />And according to the conditions being proposed we would have five years to develop the <br />subdivision and develop the mechanism by which the garden can be retained. But that is one of <br />the two goals, is to separate out the personal estate for their purposes, for the family’s purposes, <br />and then to have the garden maintained. Because up to this point Dr. Place has been, you know, <br />footing the bill. <br />WATANABE: Okay. Do we have any questions of the applicant or -? Ms. Bowman, <br />were all your questions answered? <br />BOWMAN: Just, it’s an existing nonprofit then, the garden is? <br />MOOERS: Yes, it is. <br />BOWMAN: Thank you. <br />WATANABE: Any further questions of the applicant? Geri? <br />GIFFIN:So this garden is currently open to the public? <br />MOOERS: Yes, it is. <br />GIFFIN:Okay. And then in the big picture down the road, do you envision this <br />garden to remain as a public visitation site? <br />MOOERS: That, that is the goal, yes. <br />GIFFIN:Okay. Thank you. <br />WATANABE: No further questions? If not, then you may be seated. I do have one <br />person from the audience that signed up to testify, and that would be Jeff Sacher. So if I could <br />call upon Jeff Sacher to come up, please. <br />SACHER: Good morning -. <br />WATANABE: Yes, Mr. Sacher, may I swear you in. Do you swear or affirm to tell the <br />truth now before the Planning Commission? <br />EXHIBIT A <br />4 <br /> <br />