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GIFFIN:And not hypothetical, or on this subject? <br />VITOUSEK:Right. In fact, IÓm going on to another subject. <br />Mr. Yuen, in your assessment of the potential impact, visual impact, you used a reference <br />point of an individual standing just makai of the, makai wall ofkiha, is that <br />correct? <br />YUEN:Yes, and let me just say because I thought about this last <br />IÓve used that name as a matter of, itÓs in Kekahuna. IÓm not sure that thatÓs the right <br />name. But for the sake of having a name and convenience, thatÓs what weÓll call it. But <br />to move on to your next question, yes, thatÓs what I used as a reference point. <br />VITOUSEK:And if someone were standing at that site now, what would they see? <br />YUEN:The backs of two or three very old rundown houses. <br />VITOUSEK:And how close are those houses to the property line? <br />YUEN:About 20 feet. <br />VITOUSEK:And if those houses were not there, I guess, theyÓll see the houses. But <br />what else would they see? I mean, would they see things other than just the houses? <br />YUEN:Yeah. Somewhere between the wall and houses, thereÓs a pretty big kiawe <br />tree. TheyÓre small ekoa trees and bushes. Beyond the houses, you see the tops of some <br />trees. You see some lava rock. I think thereÓs a junk car or two in there someplace. <br />ThatÓs what you see. <br />VITOUSEK:And if you look in the, is that northerly direction from the site youÓre <br />using as a reference point, what would you see? <br />YUEN:Well, if you look along the wall, you donÓt see that much. ThereÓs a patch <br />of night-blooming cereus over the wall that sprawls a little bit makai. I think it obstructs <br />the view. Then past the Blasman property itÓs overgrown with the scrubby kiawe trees <br />and ekoa. The Casa del Sol is in front, but it doesnÓt go as far back as the Blasman <br />property. I think it, I think that lot maybe goes a 100 feet back as IÓve seen today. I think <br />Blasman is actually is about 260 feet deep. So thereÓs about 150 feet of undeveloped <br />more or less, property with scrubby growth. <br />VITOUSEK:And you testified yesterday that if youÓre standing at that location then <br />the, outside the wall, the makai side of the Pkiha, you cannot see the ocean, isnÓt that <br />correct? <br />YUEN:No. <br />29 <br /> <br />