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DAVID:Because whatever existed prior, whether it was historic sites or burials as I understand, have been removed. So it is their posi things no longer exist, thereÓs no impact. Does the removal of or destruction diminish the cultural significance or sacredness of this land and, if not, why? KANAHELE:So what is your question? DAVID:The question is, theyÓre saying that thereÓs no historic sites or anything that culturally will be impacted on this property because it has been removed. Is the fact that theyÓve removed it, does this make it less important, this piece of property, in its relationship to the whole complex? VITOUSEK:IÓm sorry, I have to object to the form of the question. I think she said that they said that there is nothing significant on the site because they removed it; and that implies that the Applicant removed something from the site which is not true. DAVID:Okay. IÓm sorry. Because it has been prior, it has been bulldozed previously, so whatever was there does not exist and so thereÓs no impact. Does that lessen the significance of this area because thereÓs nothing physical there? KANAHELE:It doesnÓt lessen the, you know, I just want to come up and say that it doesnÓt lessen the significance of the area. The fact that there was, something was there prior to this and it doesnÓt exist anymore, they represent the old, there originally was there, the place that had to do with Keakealani and Keolonhihi, for the Hawaiian, that still exists there. That land was there for that particular purpose and was there in conjunction with a lot of the other things around it, that still exists; and the idea that all of the things around it is still there, the significance of that land, still exists as well. DAVID:Okay. Thank you. In your recommendations you mentioned t the redignification of the entire complex offers a chance to revive the cultural and spiritual, some of the degradation that weÓve suffered in the past. Were, in your opinion, what impacts would a condo, condominium that adjoins Keakealani, impacts would that pose upon the sacred site? KANAHELE:Well, it doesnÓt have the same impact as if you were to look at the genealogical archives that had to do with that particular area and, I donÓt know, you have a lot of condos up and down that road, they donÓt add to Kona site to begin with. ThatÓs my opinion anyway. So what IÓm saying, it does not add to the site. DAVID:It does not add to the site -? KANAHELE:To the cultural site. DAVID:The cultural site. I see. WeÓve been here in this procee because of things that have happened in the past with regard to our cultural sites being 25