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examine the Applicant's witnesses or any of our witnesses, they surely can come up to us, as <br />representatives from the public, but they have an input. Is that not what this process is for? And <br />I greatly resist and am saddened at the thought that we are not able to in public process take the <br />time. Now I see that that time that would be taken to read -. In court, you may not read your <br />testimony, correct? You must give it orally. And this is a quasi-court proceedings, am I right? <br />And now I understand why that is important, because everyone who comes can hear it. Even if <br />they don't come. There's a law that protects this, I'm seeing. I'm quite sure about this now. <br />Thank you for hearing me. <br />GIFFIN:You're welcome. Hearings Officers, any questions? Mr. Togashi? <br />Mr. Torigoe. <br />TORIGOE:Yes, Madam Chairman, is there anything particular that you would like for <br />me to address or -? <br />GIFFIN:Yes, I would. In particular, I'd like you to please address Rule 4 and its <br />applicability here in terms of procedures and what we did in following the rule to the letter, I <br />think. <br />TORIGOE:Yes, as has been noted on the record, the Planning Commission Rule 4-8 <br />provides that there can be conferences with the presiding officer before the contested case <br />hearing to arrange for exchange of proposed written testimony. <br />GIFFIN:Could you speak louder? <br />TORIGOE:Sure, I'm sorry. <br />GIFFIN:Thank you. <br />TORIGOE:I'll repeat that. <br />GIFFIN:Thank you. <br />TORIGOE:Rule 4-8 provides that there can be a conference with the presiding officer <br />before a contested case hearing to arrange for exchange of proposed written testimony. Rule 4-1 <br />also provides that any procedure in a contested case may be modified or waived by stipulation of <br />the parties. <br />These rules do not originate out of thin air, they are based on Chapter 91 Hawai`i Revised <br />Statutes, which is the basis for conducting contested case hearings. Under HRS Section 91-9(d), <br />again, it states that any procedure in a contested case may be modified or waived by stipulation <br />of the parties. Also 91-10(1) says that any oral or documentary evidence may be received. So <br />the statute that enables and provides for contested cases allows for documentary evidence as well <br />as oral testimony. <br />10 <br /> <br />