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would put them in the EPA requirement for septic. It’s what, 100 gallons a day usage I think is <br />one of the criteria. <br />YUEN:The home would have to follow all other regulations; and if it, so it would <br />have to follow whatever wastewater regulations applied. <br />ALAMEDA:All right. <br />SIRACUSA:But we don’t know at this point whether there’s a septic on the property or <br />it’s a cesspool? <br />YUEN:Well, we’re not dealing with any particular home or application here. All <br />I can say is that if this passes, the home will still have to follow any other applicable regulations. <br />And, so, if -. <br />SIRACUSA:At this point it’s all theoretical. <br />YUEN:Yeah, well, when it becomes actual, then, as I say, the homes has to follow <br />the other regulations, including limits on wastewater disposal. So if it doesn’t pass that, it can’t <br />be used, just as same though as any other occupancy of the home. <br />SIRACUSA:Thank you for explaining that. <br />ALAMEDA:Thank you, Commissioner Siracusa. Any other questions for Gary before <br />I let him go? Seeing none, thank you for testifying today. Mr. Landis, Dr. Landis, did you get a <br />chance to state your name and address for the record? <br />LANDIS:My name is Dan Landis. My address is 17-123 Palula Place in the Keaau <br />Ag Lots. I’m a research psychologist, social psychologist, whatever you want to call it. I retired <br />about four years ago but I try to keep active by my research. <br />One thing I’d like to, first of all I’d like to thank the Commission for allowing us to come over <br />and for being as patient as you are. You say we’re patient, you’re patient, too, having stuck <br />around this long. <br />We in the Ag Lots have a problem and we’d like your help in solving that problem. The problem <br />is that we see a slippery slope developing here. That is, number one, I would confidently say to <br />you that there’s no evidence of the magic number eight of being a sufficient or necessary number <br />to treat these kids. It could be eight, it could be seven, it could be five, it could be six, it could <br />be, the numbers seem to have just been pulled out of the air; and I would say probably the <br />Department of Health doesn’t have any evidence that that’s an optimum number. That may be <br />for their funding, so extra funding stream; it may have something to do with that. But I would <br />guarantee that it doesn’t have anything to do with the therapeutic effectiveness of what they’re <br />doing. So I would suggest that you’d be very, very careful about approving any number above <br />five. I personally like the idea of a variance. Director Yuen says that’s not possible but I wonder <br />if we ought to maybe take a look at that and investigate it a little bit further. <br />EXHIBIT D <br />12 <br /> <br />