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BOWMAN: I have a question. Can we, could we see the LUPAG map again? And <br />Conservation is, is there any Conservation? Along this shoreline, right? <br />COTTLE: This would be Open. <br />BOWMAN: Uh huh. Okay, but no Conservation per se. <br /> <br />COTTLE: No, the Conservation was the State Land Use designation and itÓs just a <br />strip along the coastline. <br />BOWMAN: Okay. And that Conservation area, the big one? <br />COTTLE: This? <br />BOWMAN: Yeah. <br />COTTLE: This is the Queen LiliÒuokalani Trust land just south of the amendment <br />area. <br />BOWMAN: Okay. I guess my question is, because of the sensitivit <br />historical significance, why isnÓt it Conservation? <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: That would be a question for the State of HawaiÒi and the Land Use <br />Commission because they are the ones that would classify Conservation or Urban. I think that <br />this was probably, generally when they were looking at this entire area, they were looking at <br />most of it for urban uses, and DLNR and DHHL subsequently had thought that this would be <br />revenue generation properties for them. <br /> <br />BOWMAN: And the Park is not, the National Park is Open; itÓs not Conservation. <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: I think the National Park for some strange reason actually has Urban <br />classification from the State -. <br /> <br />BOWMAN: Yeah, thatÓs what looks like there. I just -. Okay, thank you. <br /> <br />WATANABE: Mr. Housel. <br /> <br />HOUSEL: Yes, I had a question of the Planning Director. With this, if this is <br />approved to, you know, revert this back to Open and which includ <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Maija, can you back up the slides? <br /> <br />HOUSEL: Which, the Open area would include all of the harbor areas, is that <br />correct? <br /> <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Yes. <br /> <br />EXHIBIT E <br />15 <br /> <br />