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of the points on working on the plan was not to imply for ones that, in the previous drafts <br />there were some listed and implied to be public in a way that we couldn’t support or <br />substantiate; and so that was important. But, you know, for example, Keokea County <br />Park Road, that’s the road to Keokea Beach Park, it’s a County road. And I do think that <br />at this stage there is a reasonable differentiation between which ones are -. There are <br />statements about which ones are public and then where it doesn’t say that they’re public <br />they’re not, or you can’t prove that they are and so you’re not asserting it in the plan. <br />BOWMAN: Mr. Chair? <br />WOODWARD: Okay, Commissioner Bowman. <br />WHITE: I -. <br />WOODWARD: This is really a situation where we’re supposed to be asking you <br />the questions. And we’re getting into a little bit of a kind of debate, and that’s really not <br />what we want to do. So, Commissioner Bowman. <br />BOWMAN: Okay, I’ll preface this with a question. I do believe that some of <br />these were traditional accesses during the plantation era when there was only a landowner <br />and they were able to use them when there was only one landowner. I see the quagmire <br />that we’re in right now, is that there are multiple landowners. So what people think of as <br />traditional access in today, 2008, it’s not. So is that what the problem is? <br />WHITE: Okay. So I’d like to address that, and I think it’ll answer <br />everything in terms of how you might be able to decide. And again, I refer you back to <br />the plan on page 48 where it says “WHO will take the lead.” You know, the background <br />is real clear here about the long-range access plan will take many years to implement, <br />cause someone asked that question. And then “WHAT needs to be done,” and here you <br />have the CDP clearly saying that this is a collaboration, “With the assistance of the Public <br />Access Planner, the CDP Action Committee will develop an inventory and database of <br />existing traditional public accessways identified by the community to be used as a <br />planning tool in the County’s actions….” So this is down the road. And it says “will <br />then work with the County, with other public agencies, and with the Kohala landowners <br />to implement specific accesses for controlled public use.” So this is not, you know, I <br />mean we’ve already covered what it is that we’re concerned about here in the discussion. <br />LUCE: And, Commissioners, my big concern is generated by the Director <br />saying that the Planning Department will use this list in conditioning subdivision <br />approvals. If that is not the case, if Corporation Counsel had said that this is just a <br />recommendation, if it’s not going to be used in analyzing subdivision applications and <br />used as a tool to implement public access, then it’s kind of neutered. Where the rubber <br />hits the road is where the staff refers to the wish list and mandates public access on <br />private property when an owner is subdividing. That’s my problem. <br />WOODWARD: All right, I think we’ve heard what you had to say, Mr. Luce. <br /> EXHIBIT C <br />16 <br /> <br />