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SPRINGER:It is okayed with the DirectorÓs comments; and IÓm not sure then
<br />how we should treat this Figure 3 if there is a State of Hawaii claim on the Alanui Kauila.
<br />FUJIKAWA:Director, you have any comment?
<br />SPRINGER:And, Mr. Chair, I just comment, you know, that for myself as an
<br />occasional user of the trails of old and with the understanding that I have with historic
<br />preservation laws, IÓm not necessarily looking to, you know, just to exercise the, flex the
<br />muscle of historic preservation law. But I think there is an outstanding question here as
<br />to how the government treats those properties that are a part of its inventory of
<br />government roads. So, Sidney, this question is not only directed to you, but of the State
<br />of Hawaii and how it treats its resources.
<br />YUEN:Was there any, does the archaeological report mention any
<br />physical remnant of a road in the area?
<br />FUKE:No. They couldnÓt find any -. Well, the report doesnÓt indicate
<br />any remnants of a trail or a road.
<br />YUEN:Well, all I can say is from a legal point of view, it would remain, as
<br />I said, government property. As to whether, you know, this is, this gets tied into the
<br />roads in limbo. If itÓs non-vehicular, if it was non-vehicular, itÓs State. If itÓs vehicular,
<br />the upshot of the roads in limbo is going to be that itÓs County. And, so, if they were to
<br />go into and physically work on that area, they would need a right of entry from the
<br />County or possibly from the State, if they were to physically work, if they were to
<br />physically build a road in that area.
<br />SPRINGER:Which is, thatÓs what they want to do, yeah? Looking at Figure 3,
<br />is that not what they anticipate?
<br />YUEN:TheyÓre small, small portions of it, yes. Looks like they
<br />crossing of the road and the building of it.
<br />SPRINGER:And, I guess, weÓre, our task is to make a recommendation on to
<br />the County Council. We have a County Council member present at our table. IÓm not
<br />sure that we can answer all of the questions here today, but I would hope that the
<br />discussion would continue at the Council chambers.
<br />FUJIKAWA:Go ahead, Councilman Tyler.
<br />TYLER:Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Commissione
<br />Springer. Indeed, it will. My suggestion, which I made earlier, is that we should
<br />continue it before it comes to the Council so we can talk with the Director, talk with
<br />Mr. Fuke, who represents the Malians, myself, people like Uncle Kino, George
<br />Kahananui, who has great knowledge of the homestead road and possibly the Alanui
<br />Kauila. Certainly, I know Mr. Freitas, Mr. Bobby Freitas, whose
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