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we, the Hawaiian people told you, you should have done it right in the first place. It was
<br />all of your undermining, your arrogance, your belligerence, that is what caused your
<br />situation today with the Hokulia case.
<br />Now, again, the Hawaiian community comes out with a kokua. I donÓt think warning is
<br />appropriate anymore, but kokua, malama ka aina. If the Hawaiian come out and say, eh,
<br />you know, thatÓs significant to me, then as a developer, more so, as a government agency
<br />who is supposed to protect, Ðthe State of Hawaii shall protect traditional and customary
<br />rights.Ñ It doesnÓt say Ðmay,Ñ it says Ðshall.Ñ So if one Hawaiian come up, whether itÓs
<br />one brown Hawaiian like me, one pake Hawaiian, one white Hawaiian, or black
<br />Hawaiian, if they come up and they say, ÐItÓs significant to me,Ñ this State, as well as this
<br />County Director, shall protect those traditional and customary rights. You have to deal
<br />with it. If not, well, maybe if you take, instead of took, what now, 13 years in the
<br />Hokulia case, eh, maybe it might take two years. All IÓm saying is this, we live in the
<br />year 2003, we have this mechanism in our society, itÓs called the internet, itÓs called
<br />networking. Information is available to all of us and we shouldnÓt be inundated with
<br />paper. ThatÓs killing our trees, that takes away oxygen from our lives, all of our lives. If
<br />we cannot breathe oxygen, weÓre breathing carbon dioxide. ThatÓs why weÓre having
<br />problems disseminating right from wrong Òcause weÓre not getting oxygen in our brains,
<br />Òcause weÓre killing our trees. Okay?
<br />So my recommendation to our developers is you look at your bottom line, how much is it
<br />going to cost you to develop in HawaiÒi, you times it by three; and thatÓs a management
<br />decision, that is not a political one. And the County has to protect all of us HawaiiansÓ
<br />rights, whether they like it or not.
<br />Aunty Flo, you brought up an excellent question. I appreciate your manao of
<br />clarification, and I implore you to continue your search of clarification. Mahalo, you all.
<br />FUJIKAWA:Thank you. Is there any question from the Commissioners to this
<br />testifier? None. If not, go ahead. Thank you very much. And the ApplicantÓs
<br />representative, you may proceed.
<br />MOOERS:I donÓt want to get into a point-by-point discussion of all the issues
<br />because I think that it wouldnÓt be appropriate at this time because there still potentially
<br />could be a Contested Case Hearing. And IÓm sure the Intervenors would like to cross-
<br />examine some of the things that I might allege or say, so -. I do want to address a couple
<br />of the direct questions that were asked and hopefully thatÓll clarify.
<br />The first thing regarding the burial. My client acquired the property about two-and-a-
<br />half, three years ago. My client has not disturbed the site a bit, has not moved a rock, did
<br />not cut a tree, did not grade a burial. That site has been heavily graded and it was heavily
<br />graded at the time the Kona Sea Village was developed. They took fill material from this
<br />site to build up that site. ThatÓs why the shoreline, if you look at the rubble, is not a
<br />natural looking shoreline. My client has not disturbed the shoreline, has not disturbed the
<br />site, has not disturbed the burial, has not a cut a tree. All r
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