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TORIGOE: Mr. Chairman? <br />GALDONES: Mr. Torigoe? <br />TORIGOE: I‰m not sure I understand the question. What do you mean by how much <br />discussion -? <br />SPRINGER: We can have one whether or not there will be a vote of abstaining vote. <br />Do we need to make the motion and go through the vote? <br />TORIGOE: Well, are you intending to discuss whether or not Miss Siracusa may <br />abstain, or should abstain, or what are you planning to discuss? <br />SPRINGER:Well,shecertainlymayabstain.Sheseemstofeelthatsheshouldabstain. <br />And I‰m wondering whether we should move forward with a motion given what we understand. <br />TORIGOE: Well, I think that‰s something that if someone wants to make a motion and <br />want to discuss that, you can do that. <br />LIM: Yeah. I guess on the applicant‰s behalf, you know, if Miss Siracusa <br />intends to abstain, then we, I think, have no choice but to ask for a continuance. I don‰t want to <br />get a denial on the permit which we think, you know, should be the issue. I don‰t know what <br />additional time would make it clearer to her, though, because I‰m not sure what your issue would <br />be. <br />SIRACUSA: Well, it‰s just that there‰s so many things on this map that I can‰t pin into <br />an, you know, on-the-ground situation; and the whole thing is rather complex; and I didn‰t have <br />the benefit of, you know, a site visit that the other commissioners did. And so, you know, it‰s <br />even hard for me to tell exactly, you know, where the accesses are that we‰re talking about, and <br />this and that. <br />YUEN: I wonder if you have some specific questions relating to the map here, and <br />I understand the rest of the commissioners went on a site visit with €. <br />SIRACUSA: Okay. The access that, the red line that goes right along the shoreline, is <br />that just a marking of the shoreline, or is that the marking of the public access trail? <br />YUEN: That‰s the marking of the shoreline. <br />SIRACUSA: Okay. And then the next red line mauka of that, those are the parcel <br />boundaries, or is that the marking of the trail? <br />YUEN: That would be the parcel boundary, that would be the makai, the next red <br />line would be the makai-most boundary of the parcel if this SMA permit is accepted. <br />SIRACUSA: Okay. So €. <br />10 <br /> <br />