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IBBETSON:The initial gravesite is 40 feet by 90 feet and it comes to about, Im going to be approximate here but this is probably pretty accurate. It comes down like so and then, well actually well make it like so. This is heavily planted here and of course this is all landscaped and heavily planted up here providing a substantial amount of privacy for the descendants if they come, care to come down and visit the graves. Now the other gravesite is down here and this was one that for the longest time we didnt know who was buried there. I spoke with the pastor of the church she didnt know. No one seemed to know. So we simply left it open. And when Mary Ann came down to look at things she went ahead and classified it as a non-historical site, which I suspect was a mistake on her part. This site is clearly more than 50 years old. And this site, these start from 1915. Again now I dont know its not my place to get into that but again she went ahead, she passed it. And, the descendants are all, if youve read my deed, are all allowed to come and see at any one time I have a very good relationship with them. And, there have been some additional problems on their end with the church and this is again a civil matter between-, the church is who I bought the property from. And again this would be a civil matter between themselves and the church. Thats-. SPRINGER:Thank you Mr. Ibbetson. And the record should reflect that Mr. Ibbetson using red marking pen has demarked the burial areas as A and B on the sketch map of the site that were using as a reference. Commissioner Graham? GRAHAM:Mr. Ibbetson? IBBETSON:Yes. GRAHAM:Just to better understand the terminology from someone whos not familiar with this at all. When it says gravesite and then you draw that boundary is it like that whole area 40 by 90 is an area that? IBBETSON:It has a wall. The upper section of gravesite A has an actual wall. The individual graves- oh Im sorry, the individual graves most of them, well theyre all quite distinct for the most part. There is the furthest grave to the south, excuse me, has a very Id say a 3-foot high wall that runs around it, its quite distinctive. The only graves really of any, I dont know how to explain this, we didnt even know they were there, lets put it that way. That was gravesite B. We just didnt know they were there until I got in there and started cutting away and exposed them. And theres a wall that runs, a very distinct wall thats about 2 to 3 feet high that runs all the way around the-, and there are 4 graves that runs around them. And they sit well below the house. Its a rather unused piece of property so to speak. Its not even visible from the house unless you walk out to the edge of the lanai and look down. But they do have access. SPRINGER:Mr. Ibbetson in your testimony you mentioned someone named Mary Ann? Is that somebody with the church or the-? Could you identify her please? IBBETSON:Yes. Mary Ann is with the DLNR. EXHIBIT E 4