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then people didnÓt have notice and it would cause a whole bunch of problems. But as far as the notary goes, well it, this notary, all it says is that that person is that person. It doesnÓt say anything beyond that. I think there are some notaries that might say, you know, he has the authority to sign on behalf of the corporation or hereÓs the corporate seal or something. But this appears to be just a straight identity of that person; and I donÓt know that thereÓs any reason to doubt it. So I think youÓd want to look at people who filed it who probably clearly have standing and whether in the view of the purpose of having these administrative hearings, whether you want to stick to some technical defect like this. KUBOTA:Thank you. FUJIKAWA:Any other questions, Commissioners? Commissioenr Smith? SMITH:Yeah, it seems like, you know, Corp. Counsel we have two opposing views before you. If we had the scale of justice over there, which side would you be leaning? OÓTOOLE:Well, I, you know, I guess IÓm supposed to advise you on but I have not found any case where it said, you know, if a notary isnÓt there, thatÓs the end of it. And if I were balancing it, personally, like I say, I think, they, obviously, have standing, they filed on time. And, you know, what is the point of the notary anyway? SMITH:You didnÓt answer my question. I guess, thatÓs all right. OÓTOOLE:I thought I did. MOOERS:Mr. Chairman, can I make a comment? FUJIKAWA:Go ahead -. Let me swear you in first. Do you swear to tell the truth to the HawaiÒi Planning Commission? MOOERS:I do. FUJIKAWA:State your name and address. MOOERS:Greg Mooers, Box 1101, Kamuela. I just want to clarify s the comments that Commissioner Graham made about my representations at that hearing. I think I was very clear on a couple of points. One is that I was not an attorney. Two, we were not discussing the issue of standing. In fact, in the spirit of trying to reach an agreement in the last two hearings, we specifically avoided that issue. I was quite aware at the time that they filed the petition that it was defective. My point, and I think I made it at that time, is that I would like to see at the point that we discussed standing, I ask that they show minutes of the meeting in which they were authorized to take the position to request a contested case. So I think I was trying to break that issue at that time. So that should be in the minutes as well. I was very concerned about that but I did not want to 7