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WOODWARD:Okay. <br />PAIVA:So I would be landlocked. <br />WOODWARD:Yes. I can see your problem. Okay, Commissioner Domingo, you had a <br />question? <br />DOMINGO:Not so much with the speaker but might be with Mr. Brandon here. You <br />know, having used that for a number of years, 30 years, as a right-of-way to access Kukuau, <br />what does it really mean at this time with the proposed development? Is there some legal means <br />to which access would be granted or -? For instance the developer says no, what would then <br />happen to his situation? <br />GONZALEZ:I don’t understand your question fully but -. <br />DOMINGO:Well, access to the street to which he’s using right now, and as indicated if <br />the development goes through then that would be, then that would be taken away, you know. <br />WOODWARD:I think he’s referring just to the establishment of, long-term establishment <br />of an easement granting him rights to use that easement, if that’s the case or not. <br />GONZALEZ:Well, as it’s described, I mean you’re going to have to look at who owns <br />the area that he has been traversing over. He’s going to have to be able to prove how long he has <br />been using it, if he had permission to use it, if he didn’t. And if that parcel of land that he has <br />been traversing over is privately owned by the applicant, then that’s something that the applicant <br />and he will have to work out and negotiate to get some kind of access. That’s why they have to <br />work it out. And I believe Mr. Lim may be able to address that when he returns to the table. <br />WOODWARD:All right. Any other questions for Mr. Paiva. Commissioner Iwashita. <br />IWASHITA:So, my understanding, Mr. Paiva, is that you don’t have a legal easement <br />to get to your property? <br />PAIVA:Well, I’m requesting a title search on my part. But I’ve looked at the deed <br />on record from Mr. Boschetti and it does not specifically name me. <br />IWASHITA:No, but what about your deed? Doesn’t your deed have -? <br />PAIVA:I don’t have, I don’t have a cov -. Well, okay, I have a deed, my personal <br />deed, but my dad deeded it to me through a trust. What I’m trying to do is get his original deed, <br />a copy of which, so I can probably give it to Mr. Lim and we can probably settle this thing. At <br />this point the only legal document I have that says I have a right-of-way is my DROA which <br />Mr. Tolmie, John Tolmie, gave me when he sold the property to our family. And it’s a condition <br />of the DROA, a condition of the sale. Otherwise we wouldn’t have built a house if he told us we <br />had no access. And Mr. Tolmie is all, the same man that owned this parcel that Mr. Bo -, I don’t <br />want to say his name wrong, Boschetti -? <br />6 <br />EXHIBIT A <br /> <br />