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we've seen in natural systems, okay, so we're still within the range of natural systems. You
<br />want me to keep going or you want me to -?
<br />YUEN:If there are other -, but I have one follow-up question, and if there are
<br />any questions from the Commissioners. And I want to say as you're saying this, we have to be
<br />very vigilant, and we will do that in connection with this permit, but I i+ adb`trd sghr hr `
<br />concern and this is an opportunity with -, there's a concern with this application, it's an
<br />opportunity that the consultants have been brought here, I wanted to go through some of this
<br />with you while you were here.
<br />The follow-up question is how much -, we have a very systematic program on water quality
<br />sampling. How much do we have as far as transects of coral cover, for example? Do we have
<br />-, does the State have something like that? Is that part of what any individual resort is doing?
<br />BROCK:Okay. The State does a certain amount of that kind of sampling. Some
<br />of the permits that have been granted in the past have had conditions that require marine
<br />monitoring, you know, marine life monitoring, and I'm involved with some of those.
<br />The changes that we have seen, and I really didn't answer your question about coral, that you
<br />asked at first, the changes that we have seen primarily relate to major natural events, and I'm
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<br />thinking like Hurricane Iniki. We have some very nice data from Hurricane Iniki. Just like
<br />on land where it was -, the damage was very, very patchy on land, the same thing happened
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<br />under water. Most of the energy in Hurricane Iniki, from my experience anyway, of looking
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<br />on Kauai, Oahu, Mui, Lanai and this Island, most of the energy from those waves was
<br />dissipated in deeper water. In other words, it impinged on the bottom in deeper water, and by
<br />the time you got up into real shallow water, yeah, I mean there were still big waves and they
<br />were breaking, but most of that energy was dissipated deep. And so, as a consequence, a lot
<br />of the damage was done fairly deep. And you say, well, how deep? And I'll say on the order
<br />of about 45 feet on down to in excess of 120 feet. So a lot of it was about 80-90 feet deep
<br />where a lot of the damage really was bad, from my experience of looking at, you know,
<br />looking at these communities. So we saw a very large impact here, but patchy, so it impacted
<br />coral, yeah.
<br />Have we seen problem with abnormalities of coral growth and that sort of thing? No, we have
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<br />not. We've sampled at Waikoloa, at Kkio, we've sampled further down the coast at
<br />Hklia, and if you want me to speak to that, I can, otherwise I'll keep my mouth shut. But
<br />we have not seen the level of impact that the general public believes has occurred, I will say
<br />that. And we've got the data to back it up. That data's been given to the State agencies. You
<br />know, our reports are made available to all the State agencies; I believe the County, also,
<br />received our information.
<br />So there is not as much marine life monitoring as there is water quality monitoring and, in
<br />general, I think the reason for that has been that the thought that has gone into this has been
<br />that if we're creating a change due to our activities on land, that change will probably be
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