Laserfiche WebLink
So I think those change -, I'm not pushing pollution out of the picture, I'm not saying it's not <br />important, I'm not saying it's not important to monitor. By golly, it's very important to stay, try <br />to stay on top of it best we can, because no one wants to do the wrong thing. But the changes <br />that I think I've seen, I've encountered in our data have been changes in the fish communities, <br />primarily, the organisms that people use. So the abundance and size of those organisms has <br />decreased greatly. And there's been some shifts that occur. Other species that previously weren't <br />very important become more important. <br />Now somebody might say well, gee, Brock, that's a simple long-term natural fluctuation, longer <br />term than my life space, maybe 50-year, 100-year fluctuations and things. Could be. I can't say <br />no. But there's an awful lot of evidence from other parts of the world that over-fishing is doing a <br />real number in a lot of places and so I think we're seeing some of that here. And so I think that <br />will be one of the things that will change. And then what will <br />Let's say we knock the fish communities back. Then you're going <br />shallow water. You know, I'm talking about the bigger limu. And pretty soon the limu out- <br />competes a lot of the coral. So those are changes, those are long term. They don't happen over <br />night, they happen over generations. They take time. <br />So it's going to be changes probably related to those sorts of things that will happen, and I think <br />that's what happened on some of the other islands. Go to the Northwest Hawaiian Islands and <br />look there, you know, up, you know, Northwest Hawaiian Islands a <br />what you see there. It's phenomenal, just phenomenal. I mean y <br />are herds of big ulua around you. I mean there's a lot of big predators. The biomass is -, most of <br />the carbon is tied up in the living biomass, I mean looking at it from a chemical standpoint. It's <br />phenomenal. And here it's still tied up in the living biomass, but on O`ahu, for example, living <br />biomass is in the form of plants, of limu and things. So we've done some major changes on other <br />islands, and that doesn't bode well for here, you know. It just means all of us have to rethink the <br />way we use things, that's all. <br />GRAHAM:Thanks very much. I have also been diving the West Hawai`i coast a lot <br />since 1971, so I'm aware of the long term situation, too. I sure don't want to go into details at <br />this point. But just completing the loop on what you were saying, if the primary source of long <br />term deterioration is via loss of the fauna, the particularly the algae eating fish, the plant eating <br />fish and all, then that's what we certainly have to watch out for. <br />I also was thinking of I think what you guys would call turbidity, the general quality of the <br />water. Is there a factor other than the nutrients and the plant growth coming from the nutrients, <br />is there a factor relating to the clarity of the water that also may be deteriorating for some reasons <br />you can point out, over a long term, like I was hypothesizing, 50 years or so? <br />BROCK:Okay. Interesting you mentioned turbidity. I won't say anything about <br />Hklia, but I will tell you something about Lana`i, unless you want me to talk about Hklia, <br />th <br />and you may not. I will say something about Lana`i. On the 29 of January 2002, we had seven <br />inches of rain on the south shore of Lana`i, as measured at Hulopo`e. I monitor on that coast, <br />that south coast and the east side of the island. Fortuitously, I was there the next morning, I was <br />14 <br /> <br />