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much more my approach, is to work from a planning model rather than from a model of do you <br />have “x” level of facilities and if you don’t then stop zoning. Example, you know, let’s take <br />Hawaiian Ocean View Estates. Nobody has ever actually applied for rezoning. You know, you <br />have a little bit of Commercial rezoning at the bottom of Ocean View Estates. So nobody has <br />applied for rezoning in Ocean View, but there are 9,000 lots that people can move to. So you <br />create, you stop, it doesn’t mean anything to stop rezoning in Ocean View but it also doesn’t get <br />them a, you know, police station or a park. So I’m afraid that I don’t really have, aside from <br />recommending that we do look at Chapter 8, much to say that would tweak this approach to <br />something else. <br />HOUSEL: Right. Well, I agree with Commissioner Woodward that, you know, this <br />island is so diverse and each community is different and enforcing a standard on everyone is not <br />probably appropriate. But there obviously are, I mean just looking at the data here, you <br />mentioned the police, there are areas which are deficient in support. And so I’m looking at what <br />would be another approach to try to improve those deficiencies, without using the rezoning as a <br />club. <br />YUEN: Well, on police and fire those are County facilities, and so it’s a financial <br />commitment on the part of the County to go and build the facilities. Typically it’s, those are also <br />easier facilities typically from a land use or EIS point of view than roads. And sometimes, you <br />know, like for an example, trying to build a road in an area, you get stuck because of <br />archaeology, other kinds of problems. So typically if you, if the County is committed to put <br />another police station in Puna, it’s mostly a money issue. You know, you can find the site and <br />do the studies to build it. But you have to pony up the money to build it; and then if the idea is <br />you need “x’ staff, then you have to come up with the money to hire the people to staff it. So <br />that’s really a separate issue than the zoning issue. It’s a financial issue. <br />HOUSEL: Right, right. Thank you. <br />YUEN: And, you know, there are places that will have this kind of an approach. I <br />mean this is not a completely wild idea that somebody came up with here. But where you see it <br />more typically is you have a lot of communities that are basically built out with their current <br />zoning in, like take a mainland community. All right? And so they may have enough police <br />officers and they may have enough firefighters for the community that they have zoned. And <br />then they may pass a bill that says, well, if we’re going to zone to allow the community to <br />expand then we have to concurrently have enough police officers and the firefighters and the <br />like. And I could see it making sense in that context. Unfortunately here we do have a lot of <br />growth built into the existing zoning. So by putting a halt to zoning we’re not putting a halt to <br />growth and expansion. So it’s not that effective as a tool to making sure that our public facilities <br />keep up with the level of development. <br />WATANABE: Mr. Woodward? <br />WOODWARD: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I would echo what Commissioner <br />Housel just said. And that is the solution to infrastructure is not to penalize people, it’s for the <br />government to get off their okoles and donate, and, you know, pony up the resources to get in <br />more firemen, more policemen. That’s a disconnect. What has rezoning got to do with the <br /> EXHIBIT E 5 <br /> <br /> <br />