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a rough approximation. So, I guess, given what we see the LUPAG Map does show this in there, but its kind of a rough boundary and a little hard to know how much of the adjoining properties and other properties in the area really would fall within that LUPAG designation. Is that correct? YUEN:Do we have that LUPAG Map available here? Im not sure exactly where the boundary is on the Low Density Urban. Generally speaking what youre saying is correct, that the boundaries are not meant to be an exact line. And I also, you know, I would not say to you, and I dont think Ive ever said to you or the Council that the General Plan mandates that you rezone a certain property. It has to be consistent with the General Plan, so this rezoning is consistent with the General Plan. But there may site specific constraints that speak against rezoning, the road access may be bad, the flood plain -. So it looks like the General Plan Low Density ends at the extension of the Stainback Highway, which would be a bit farther out here. Okay, youre correct that this is right at about the boundary of the Low Density Urban, and youre also correct that we dont take that as a line where we would try to project that line absolutely on the map and say youre on one side of the line youre in, youre on the other side of the line youre out. But getting back to what I was saying about the General Plan, the General Plan doesnt mandate that you rezone a particular piece of property at a particular time. There may be, as I mentioned, starting to talk about site specific issues, it may be an area closer to the Urban area should be, you know, when you have an Urban area that is extended out from a center of a city you may say, well, we should be rezoning closer to the Urban area. These are all factors that have to be considered. So, my point though with the General Plan is that it is adopted as a policy that its not an area that were holding as an Agricultural use area. It is an area that has been shown or as a matter of overall general policy of the County would be Low Density Urban; and this is consistent with that, this present application is consistent with that. GRAHAM:Thank you. Brian, were really in a deliberation time here. So if theres some real factual error you want to bring up please do it, but otherwise Id prefer you didnt make any testimony. NISHIMURA:All right GRAHAM:Thank you. Commissioner Watanabe? WATANABE: You know, during many meetings weve talked about work force housing. Most of the jobs I think we will agree are in Hilo, just like how on the West side most of the jobs are on the Kohala coast. And yet further out in the Puna area thats the fastest growing area because its affordable, for one thing; and we have all these people traveling miles and miles and miles and were wondering why we have a traffic problem. And yet we have an area that agrees with both the General Plan and the State Land Use Plan to urbanize, and its much closer to commerce; and yet were questioning whether we should allow higher density here. I dont see the logic. You know, if were going to talk about work force housing and bringing people closer to where their jobs are so that we dont have to have 50 miles of road between their home and their work place and we dont want all this traffic congestion, then we have to make housing available there. And if were unwilling to do that, then were going to have to create much larger freeways or deal with the traffic. So we have to make a choice, I think. GRAHAM:Let me ask Commissioner Galdones, since we havent heard from him yet. GALDONES:Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would have to speak against the motion. And my reasoningbehindthatisIcanunderstandandIcanrelatetothesituationthattheapplicantis facedwithandwhathestryingtoaccomplishhere.Andlookingatthisapplication,itmeetsall thetestsrequiredforthereclassification.Idontsee,asstatedintherecommendationtheresno 10EXHIBIT A