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because this one public access just goes down, theoretical public access I should say, goes down <br />the Kapoho Beach Lots Road and not to that southern end. So, and now we’re talking about a <br />long trail, so to speak, also on the, probably on the mauka side of the property. So there are <br />some issues that still need to be hammered out, if that’s where the Commission wants to go. <br />WOODWARD: Commissioner Bowman. <br />BOWMAN: I have a question. And I don’t, pardon me if I was sleeping when you <br />were talking or not listening cause -. <br />YEH: Hey, I can lull people to sleep a lot of times. <br />BOWMAN: No, actually it was -. Public access, where is the, and I don’t really know <br />this area, where is the nearest public access beach? Is it like McKenzie? I’m really bad. Like <br />how many miles away? <br />YEH: Champagne Pond, I think -. Don’t people get there from the north side? <br />BOWMAN: Maybe you could tell if you’ve -. <br />YEH: Okay. <br />S. BARSELL: Down the highway road is about a mile and a half to what’s called Hot <br />Ponds. <br />BOWMAN: Okay. <br />S. BARSELL: Is that what you’re talking about, any public -? <br />BOWMAN: Well, just any access, yeah, any access. <br />S. BARSELL: Not into the subdivision? <br />BOWMAN: Yeah -. <br />S. BARSELL: Okay. <br />BOWMAN: Any access to the ocean. <br />S. BARSELL: There’s a beautiful park. The sign on the highway says “Hot Ponds,” and <br />it’s like about two miles after you make the right off the Red Road. <br />BOWMAN: Okay. <br />S. BARSELL: They have pavilions. They have this huge pond that the water is like 90 <br />degrees. But, yeah, it’s a big park. <br />BOWMAN: And any others near there, within a five-mile radius? <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />15 <br /> <br />