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DOMINGO: But since they don’t have it and if they would go in Public Works and <br />apply for the existing building permits for the buildings on that property they would be allowed <br />only one dwelling permit plus another farm dwelling, just two? <br />DARRROW: Possibly. <br />DOMINGO: So what we’re saddled with, with additional six, a requirement for six <br />building permits? <br />DARROW: The other identified structures could be allowed, again, through the special <br />permit. Without the special permit they could be approved as sheds or carports or, you know -. <br />They weren’t very elaborate structures. They were just kind of lanai structures, I mean just like <br />open, open-type structures, except for the dorm structures. <br />DOMINGO: Well, you know, my concern here is that in fact we have another pending <br />application to which there are two, two small little buildings with, I presume, with no building <br />permits, you see, and they’ve come before us to apply for a special permit. Now, you know, this <br />seems to be getting to be a widespread practice wherein you do what you’ve got to do, what you <br />want to do, and then afterwards if you’re caught then you decide to abide by the requirements of <br />the County. And that’s what I’m seeing right now. Okay, Mr. Chairman, thank you. <br />WOODWARD: All right. Commissioner Kern. <br />KERN: I just wanted to, I agree with Commissioner Domingo. It’s challenging. <br />You know, there are people out there that do build unpermitted structures all the time but it’s <br />usually a bit smaller and it’s not in relation to a business, or maybe it was. You know, a farm <br />piece of property, they have their home there that was permitted, and next thing you know they <br />need to build a shed, and then so it’s like going through the whole process. And they build a <br />small shed and maybe they get caught or maybe they don’t. It’s still not, you know, the right <br />thing to do. But it’s just, it’s really challenging when you’re running a business that’s credible <br />and every structure on there is not permitted. Coming from the background that you already had, <br />you know, you knew better, no matter how much ignorance there was there. You know, you <br />knew the speed limit was 45 and you’re driving 60. It’s challenging. <br />So I also agree that there should be some sort of penalty or some other than the basic penalty for <br />an as-built permit, is double the permit fee. I know that cause I’m a general contractor. So <br />people do it; and it’s like, okay, great I’m going, instead of spending $400 I’ve got to spend <br />$800, not a big slap on the wrist. So my concern is that we’re not just dealing with a home that <br />had a shed outside of it that was unpermitted, we’re dealing with the whole thing that was <br />unpermitted. And so if we do pass it we are basically setting precedence that, fine, go ahead and <br />do it again. So there needs to be something. And, you know, Commissioner Iwashita asked <br />what you thought would be the proper penalty or, yeah, proper penalty, I guess. Do you have <br />any thought on that? <br />MCKINNEY: Well, I would certainly be open to paying a fine. I’m not sure if that really <br />answers -. It’s difficult for me because I like to consider myself an honorable person, and this <br />17 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />