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HAALILIO:The membership of the church dwindled but the association itself died and properties were transferred over to the trusteeship of Hawaii Conference Foundation, which is where Mr. Ibbetson had acquired the property from. WATANABE:Okay. And would you be able to tell us, and again I dont want to open up a can of worms but would you be able to tell us why they decided to sell that particular parcel? HAALILIO:No I will not even take a presumptuous answer, response to that. I will not speak here on behalf of the foundation Directors. I am here to speak only on behalf of myself and my family and our immediate concerns. WATANABE:Yeah, okay. ALAMEDA:Commissioners?Okay,thankyou.Youmaysitdown. HAALILIO:Thankyou. KRUEGER:Mr.ChairmancouldIaskthewitnesssomequestionssincethisisa-? ALAMEDA:Usethemike. KRUEGER:Mr. Chairman this is Dennis Krueger. May I ask the witness a couple of questions since she is testifying in the contested case hearing today? ALAMEDA:Its kind of strange. Shes actually a public testimony and shes not really a witness. Although the dialog has made it look like that way so I would prefer not and just let-? KRUEGER:I have just 2 or 3 very brief questions? ALAMEDA:Hold on? TORIGOE:Mr. Krueger what is the nature of your questions is this pertaining the testimony that shes given at this point? You know the Chairperson is obviously, correctly is very reluctant to open cross-examination of public testifiers. However I do recognize that this testifier is apparently a member of the family and purports to represent the family so you know I think its within the discretion of the Chairperson to allow very limited examination. But we want to be very careful about not going too far with this. HAALILIO:I do want to let you know I will not permit myself to be interrogated. I will answer a question if I am able to. If Im not I will let you know. ALAMEDA:Okay with that you may proceed. KRUEGER:Mrs. Haalilio I believe-. EXHIBIT B 12