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KUBOTA:Yes, okay. <br />GALDONES:Any further discussion? <br />KUBOTA:No, but Jeff, Jeff wants to -. <br />GALDONES:Okay. Commissioner McCall? <br />MCCALL:Yeah, I just want to say that, if my understanding is correct, that, <br />Flo, I mean, you could like, say, this morning, you recused yourself or that you, before, <br />you had recused yourself from being on any decision-making as far as the permit before <br />us. You could have signed up as a member of the audience to testify on that matter. <br />KUBOTA:Yes, IÓm getting that information now. I didnÓt know tha <br />But that means that anybody can do it? <br />MCCALL:Yeah, I mean -. <br />KUBOTA:Norm could do it, Sharon could do it, if they wanted to testify, <br />right? That means anybody can go and testify, then, that means, right? <br />MCCALL:Yeah, as long as they werenÓt working in their official capacity. <br />KUBOTA:Okay. Thank you. <br />OÓTOOLE:Well, I donÓt know. And I think, well, I think itÓs som <br />different because I donÓt think Commissioners are supposed to relinquish their seat and <br />then go start testifying when theyÓre supposed to be up here voting. You know, I think <br />thatÓs carrying it too far. Mr. Yuen is there to advise you. HeÓs not a member of this <br />Commission. <br />KUBOTA:But isnÓt it the same thing when I recused myself? IÓm s <br />myself from the Commission. IsnÓt that the purpose of a recusal? IÓm separating it and <br />say I will not participate as a body member. So how, see, thatÓ <br />ThatÓs why I posed this question. Not because I donÓt want Mr. -. ItÓs not that I donÓt <br />want Mr. Yuen to testify. But I get confused about the conflict of interest issue that is <br />raised and sometimes rigidly enforced and sometimes not; and I want to know where the <br />line is. And maybe IÓm not legally, in trying, so I canÓt see it. But maybe you can <br />explain it to me. We have many lawyers in here who can explain it to me in plain <br />language. You know, I mean, give me examples of when. Because <br />my case, I donÓt see any difference at this point. <br />OÓTOOLE:Well, I think, you know, we had discussed your, whether you had a <br />conflict of interest or not, and I believe I thought you did not. But you voluntarily <br />4 <br /> <br />