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generating income from agriculture, not from residents. In other words, you have to show a <br />bonafide agricultural production in order to house bonafide agricultural employees. <br />The other thing I might draw your attention to is the article from the September ‘99 Honolulu <br />Star Bulletin where essentially right in the article it states no more youths can go to this facility, <br />I’m sorry it’s not in quotes, but essentially in the middle of the article it states no more youths <br />can be sent to this facility till licenses are obtained. This is regarding a facility that was in Laie. <br />And so this is not a new thing for Hawaii. Hawaii has seen this before, in ’99. So if it was <br />already a problem in ’99 it was here way before that. Okay? By now these types of operations <br />should have some awareness of how they can proceed. <br />The other curious thing that Mr. McKinney mentioned in his previous testimony from the last <br />meeting was that he’s from Utah. Well, Utah it turns out is actually the root of this type of <br />program. And I’m not stating that these programs are necessarily bad. But Utah has recognized <br />that these programs need to be tightly regulated. Kids get injured here. Well, Utah has really <br />strengthen their regulation. And so what’s happened? All these ex-Utah people have gone to <br />Samoa, Costa Rica, Hawaii, other rural locations where the regulations are not as strict to operate <br />this type of system without any oversight. Okay? So even if it is a good program, they need <br />oversight. And even the industry people within this industry are saying we need oversight in <br />some way, shape or form by being members of associations, by actual government regulation, <br />definitely by health code, absolutely that goes without saying. <br />The last thing I wanted to state is, once again I brought up the money at the last one, was as a <br />business if they are doing -.Well, they say in the past they’ve had 20 students. But I’ve <br />calculated from what they project of 24 students, well, if they have full occupancy that’s $3.9 <br />million a year. They’ve been operating for five years already. They said they’ve had, by his <br />own testimony he says he’s had 20 students at one time. That’s a substantial amount of money <br />to not have to follow any building code, any health code, and in addition to impacting the <br />neighbors. <br />I feel that this thing, it should be in a different area. It shouldn’t be in an Ag zone. And I’m just <br />going to finish up with my last couple of my, in my last testimony, “Mr. McKinney, Mr. Kaiser, <br />Preacher Creek LLC, Pacific Quest, and now Mala Mohala have acted with impunity, <br />disregarding the rules the rest of us have to follow. When the Planning Department acted to <br />protect their neighbors the applicants withdrew their application and subsequently filed the <br />application now before the Commission. The applicants have already negatively impacted their <br />neighbors by building their facility and operating it without oversight for five years. Granting <br />the application today would reward them for their poor behavior, unusual when they claim to <br />teach minors values. The applicant’s lack of attention to all of these issues brings question to <br />their ability to operate such a facility. Their qualifications should be carefully scrutinized as <br />their acts on the ground bring question to the credibility of their statements and their true intent.” <br />And then my last paragraph essentially talks about the Kau CDP which I understand is in <br />progress. And, honestly, I think the CDP is a good thing but I think the end result will be that <br />they’ll decide this area is not fit for this type of operation. That’s my belief. Thank you for your <br />time and thank you for volunteering for this. <br />10 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />