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want to see us get all burnt out running all day with other stuff and not be able to give our good attention to that. So my sense is I don’t really know whether this is going to be a half-an-hour agenda item, which to me would be fine to do right now. But if it’s going to carry on till lunch or beyond or something, I feel like maybe we should reschedule it for the next meeting. ALAMEDA: Yeah, I agree. Ms. Siracusa? SIRACUSA: Well, I agree that we should hear it rather than farming it out to a hearings officer. I do not think we should hear it today partly because for the same reason that Commissioner Graham mentioned, but also because we would not then be affording both parties the opportunity to bring in witnesses and submit evidence, which is part of the whole contested case process. ALAMEDA: Commissioner Iwashita? IWASHITA: I’d like both parties to understand, and Corporation Counsel can correct me if I make a misstatement, but our Rules for the contested case hearing, well, let me preface what I’m thinking about first. What the Commission is now considering is not the substance of the application. We’ve granted, we voted to allow the petition for contested case hearing, and now we are trying to decide, or we are going to decide whether we will hear it as Commission ourselves or farm it out to a hearings officer. And then if we keep it to ourselves whether we want to hear it, you know, give you the opportunity to have us hear it today, or if we are going to continue to another time and provide you the opportunity to put together other papers, exhibits, get witnesses and all of that, which the Rules allow. So, and the bottom line rule is that the parties, both of you, can agree to change all of the rights that you have under the Contested Case Procedure in proceeding with the contested case hearing. So basically, you know, if you both agree that we can proceed today, you don’t want additional time to get witnesses or other documents, then we can do that. So, I just want to make sure that you both understand that. So, can you respond if you have any questions, or if you understood the process that I explained? ALAMEDA: Okay. Mr. Farwell, you first. FARWELL: Yes, I understand. ALAMEDA: Okay. IWASHITA: What would be your preference? FARWELL: I would like to hear it today and now will be fine. I mean, I have really no evidence -. IWASHITA: Please hold your mike close to you. FARWELL: I’m sorry. I have no presentation to speak of other than what I’m telling you now, I mean -. ALAMEDA: Okay. EXHIBIT A 15