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AA: Right so are you guys, is some of the piping connected into, um, not the cattle water troughs but <br />I know you guys get some bird waterers out there and stuff like that, um, are you guys piping <br />into \[unclear\] to get the animals to get water – isn’t dry forest – so they can actually – or what is <br />your guys’ research for the animals eating the trees to get the water off of the trees? <br /> <br />KS: Oh, are you talking about game animals like sheep, goats, stuff like that? <br /> <br />AA: Yeah. <br /> <br />KS: OK. We don’t – we’re not tied into that water system for those animals at all. We do have – we <br />have nine guzzlers mauka and like four or five guzzlers makai, that we, so, it’s just like a small <br />roof with a tank underneath and the roof is guttered and connected to the tank and then the <br />tank is connected to a little trough with a float valve that provides water for sheep and goats <br />and then Puuanahulu has another ten of those systems. It has been my experience while I’ve <br />been here that the sheep and the goats do not use those water guzzlers very much. It’s very <br />minimal use, and I’m – have been concerned for some time that those troughs might actually be <br />more – might allow for feral dogs to spread into areas where they normally wouldn’t be because <br />they have a water source. I have enclosed the troughs because of that but I’m, I guess, cautious <br />or, you know, I’m concerned about it. The other thing is the cattle troughs are, you know, they <br />have – I have no idea how many cattle troughs there are but the cattle troughs do not exclude <br />goats or sheep from using them and so they have access to water, it’s just, yeah, it’s not, to me <br />that’s not an issue for those animals up there. <br /> <br />AA: Abraham, District – 5, when you bring up the wild dogs then they kind of takes it in a whole <br />different avenue, right, um, that’s just some of the complaints or not really complaints but <br />questions that I get from some of the other hunters and stuff out there. I don’t personally hunt <br />in that area so I can’t really – we can’t have a bigger conversation – so, anybody else have any <br />more questions for Kanalu? <br /> <br />NR: Natalie, District – 7. The last time you guys did research was in 2007 so that was approximately <br />like what 16 years ago? Um… <br /> <br />KS: The last was 2017 – was one of the ones I cited but… <br /> <br />NR: That… <br /> <br />KS: That 2007 research was about grazing fire and… <br /> <br />NR: Controlled burns… Like that, yeah, so just cause I grew up on the mainland – small disclaimer – <br />and I’m used to a lot of fires and I’ve seen the benefits of the controlled fires, the controlled <br />burns, I just didn’t know like if there’s more research done because there’s great improvement <br />and so much research that it comes with it and how it protects and how it’s actually beneficial <br />for the forest so I just didn’t know if that would be an option or if we actually have the resources <br />in order to do that? <br /> <br />KS: I think, as far as so I only talked about research that was done specifically in the area, anything <br />and so, yeah, we haven’t done anything updated since then in that area. I’m sure there’s other <br />research all over the place much more current than that. You make a good point about <br />9 <br /> <br /> <br />