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education classes – training for the violators – there’s a lot of further opportunities to have training or education through John. AA: OK. Right on. TS: Yeah. LT: Aloha, Leomana, District – 3. Sorry I got one more question going back to the lay nets. Two years ago my Dad got his lay nets taken by a couple of the DLNR officers and to his understanding he falls under the native Hawaiian native gathering rights from Article 12, section 7 of the Hawaii State Constitution and I just wanted to ask – is there someone in your office that can come and give us a better understanding of what the rules are, I guess, because I don’t know what the rules are for gathering rights and lay nets and stuff but my Dad had his net taken and we’re just kind of confused about the lay net rules and I guess all the gathering rules, and what’s – like what do you guys have jurisdiction over versus not. TS: Do you know what their reasoning was – why they confiscated the nets or? LT: I think the reason is he, the nets were unattended but my Dad is in a wheel chair so if you go down Keaukaha by Dad is Uncle Keoni he’s at Onikahakai \[sic\] every day and we grew up fishing Four Miles and we lay net at Four Miles my whole life, but two years ago, I guess, just because the whole COVID thing – that was where we ran into that issue where, oh, I thought we were covered under native gathering rights but he still got his net taken and a fine. I did register the nets last so… TS: OK. OK. Yeah, that’s a – I know that’s kind of tricky one. Unfortunately, I don’t have any answers for you right now, but I can try to follow-up to our legal staff to kind of get a more accurate, you know, response. LT: OK. Right on, yeah, thank you. You know, the kupuna they just kind of need to be told what’s the rules, I guess. TS: Yeah, I totally understand, yeah. LT: Mahalo. AA: Any other questions or comments – not seeing any – moving on. Thanks, Troy. Good working with you as well. Thanks for answering your phone. Had to build out that \[unclear\], right? TS: Yeah, mahalo. Happy Holidays. AA: You, too, man. SW: Deputy Corporation Counsel Sylvia Wan – I’ll just note for the record – we have lost quorum so anything that requires a vote or action of the Board will not be allowed. Presentations is fine, but, yeah. 23