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JS: Right… <br /> <br />LT: … and so that’s kind of my manao – like how can I give a little bit more time so maybe, <br />you know, the Hawaiian community can come out – like Merrie Monarch and I get to <br />explain to them this next month like, “Oh, the birds are…,” you know talk to the other <br />experts, “…and the birds are gonna go extinct in the next year.” And so what are we <br />doing about it as a people, and that’s – that was my thoughts about this update with the <br />birds for next month and then even if you understand what a \[unclear\] is that – if you <br />can give us an update on kind of the areas of the Island so that way, in the next week, I <br />can let the Merrie Monarch Committee know – tell the people don’t go here – tell the <br />people don’t walk into these forests, kind of give guidance. <br /> <br />JS: Right. That’s the bird issue. I think what our kuleana should be is to talk about it – teach <br />the – teach everybody about the birds and what the significance they have and what <br />they have held and, if we cannot save the bird then, so be it, but at least let me know its <br />significance and that alone – even though the physical bird might be – might go extinct <br />one day – at least its significance and explanation will carry on without the bird being <br />there at a minimum, about the ROD, you know, from what I understand it’s across the <br />Island already, heavier, more heavier than others started out in possibly lower Puna, <br />and then spreading – I have property out in Kealakekua – it is already Kealakekua and <br />kinda sweeping around, I am a general contractor – I’m very hesitant about land clearing <br />now and more so ‘cause of the ROD and stuff, so, even that knowledge about spreading <br />that knowledge – try not to transport ohia and if they do pick the flower maybe do not – <br />it’s customary to return it back to the same place you got it – I think maybe we should <br />dispose of it elsewhere – maybe in the trash facilities, yeah, landfill. Hopefully there’s <br />some OK with that, you know, amongst our Hawaiian community, just to not spread the <br />ROD further and stuff so, they’re finding more and more about the – I don’t know <br />everything about the ROD but there’s some people and task forces trying to find out – <br />they’re trying blame pigs and stuff… <br /> <br />LT: Yeah… Blame everything, yeah. <br /> <br />JS: But not true because I specifically know how fenced areas with zero animals, zero pigs <br />and ungulates still have ROD. <br /> <br />LT: Yeah. <br /> <br />JS: So, I don’t think they can… <br /> <br />LT: Blame the… <br /> <br />JS: … yeah, I don’t think they can blame the ungulate animals solely. <br /> <br />17 <br /> <br /> <br />