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AA: I don't write, I have it recorded. Basically, there's no real access to the forest reserve in <br /> those areas, I mean, there's—we've had this discussion before—there's quite an access <br /> right above the transfer station which is the 25-mile marker which it goes in maybe 25 <br /> [unclear] yard. DOFAW has gone in and did some gravel, they have gone in and taken <br /> out some of the grass that was in there so that is one way to access the forest reserve. <br /> Below the transfer station there's another hunting trail over there that people that can <br /> only park like one vehicle at a time and then you can access the forest there. Other than <br /> that it's right next to the transfer station—the State owns the property right around the <br /> transfer station and back in the day you could traverse in and out right next to the <br /> transfer station and there was a road that drove [unclear] maybe 200 yards back <br /> [unclear] I really not sure exactly what the distance is, but since the County upgraded <br /> that transfer station it just kept on blocking and they blame vandalism to the facility. <br /> the last time they moved the boulders to the back. They were still continuing on with <br /> vandalism to the facility but in my opinion it doesn't matter if the boulders in the front <br /> or the back—they still getting vandalism —they still getting theft over there at the <br /> station so why penalize... <br /> LT: The hunters... <br /> AA: .... forest users. <br /> LT: Gatherers... <br /> AA: Because guarantee get other people that would like to use that as customary practices, <br /> right. So that was number two. Number 3 is to the Chair as well. This is actually in <br /> District—4, Commissioner Brian's district. There's this bunch of land between Makuu <br /> Paradise Park and Hawaiian Beaches—it's unencumbered state land—with the state <br /> taking away a lot of our hunting areas and if this is unencumbered land I'm asking the <br /> Commission—you need to write some kind of advisory letter or investigate these <br /> properties and see if we can turn that into a GMA because there's—in my opinion— <br /> and, you know, traversing through these properties—there's no real invasive, <br /> endangered animals nor is it any endangered plants—is only invasive grasses and <br /> invasive trees. So, the first parcel and you guys will get it later on when we document it. <br /> The first parcel is 1, 882.44 acres, right, and all these acres they have different—four <br /> different tax map key numbers— but I think they are all one big parcel even though they <br /> are individual. So, the first one is 1-5-01:000—that is 1,882.44 acres. The next parcel is <br /> 1-5-01:003 —this one is 3, 823 acres. The next parcel is 1-5-009:009—this one is 780 <br /> acres. The last parcel is 1-5-009:010 and this is 639.94 acres. That's a lot of potential <br /> hunting land in these areas and maybe you guys can investigate it as well —and I'll do <br /> my own investigation as well but as the Commission you guys can do your guys own— <br /> maybe create a PIG —investigate it and maybe potentially— maybe the County can <br /> actually purchase this land—we had a discussion in [unclear] and I think Robert Duerr <br /> might have been there, I not sure, when one of the potential mayor candidates—then <br /> 5 <br />