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<br />they’re put, they’re planning on fencing off this red area straight line here, ah, this is a <br />NARS so and it’s completely fenced so I don’t see any opposition within this potential <br />fenced area. <br /> <br />BL: I wonder if they want to put a fence across the fenced area. <br /> <br />AA: Maybe because they’re still doing eradication controls and that’s probably an easier way <br />for them to, ah, to do some eradication, ah, but a NARs area is pretty much 100% <br />eradication. <br /> <br />IK: Which, um, agency is doing this? <br /> <br />AA: Natural Area Reserve – NARs – that’s also through DLNR. So that’s one of DLNR’s <br />branches. So, this is what actually brought me here today – is this area – Puu Makaala <br />they potentially want to fence off this kipuka koa unit so I’ve actually hunted on this <br />area – I hunt all in this area here – so this blue line is the Puu Makaala Natural Area <br />Reserve, right, so, all fenced off. They also do pretty much 100% eradication, pretty <br />much all NARs areas is fenced off and is 100% eradication. There still potentially might <br />be game in these areas – but I cannot really answer questions, you have to go back and <br />call NARs and ask them, but this kipuka koa unit – it is open as it is now – they’re talking <br />about bull dozing this, purple line here, which, that is right next to the lava flow so they <br />going bull doze along the lava flow here and install new fence and then they’re planning <br />on the green line is existing in the forest. There’s no fence or bull dozed roads – they’re <br />planning to bull doze a road through the forest and then this orange line here – that is <br />an old, old, existing road from back in the military days – so they want to come here and <br />they want to connect to this orange road that comes and, connect back into the Natural <br />Area Reserve fence line here. So back in the days, back in the 80s I think – when Pig <br />Hunters of Hawaii first started as a pretty strong group back then – they pretty much, <br />came, they had discussions with DLNR and, they came up with the decisions that they <br />was like - close this area off-seasonal, right, so in six months – from this upper area all <br />the way to Tree Planting Road and you going up Stainback – everything on the right, on <br />the right hand side is closed six months a year for the protection of our game species, <br />which in here, in the forest is pigs along this lava corridor here – there’s actually sheep <br />up here – I have seen them, I have heard them, I never collected any of them because <br />that’s not my game of species to hunt, so, with them fencing off this area, this is like the <br />migration route of the pigs come down either or so it will affect not just up here in this <br />area but it will affect hunting up here and all the way down to the Tree Planting Road. <br />And I’m coming here again to ask the Commission to write a letter to – in opposition of <br />this fencing. I see their thing about, you know, protecting the koa forest here – but they <br />don’t need to take all this land because the koa forest is mainly like right in the middle <br />here and it also goes into the NARs area here, so they don’t need to take more than <br />what they need to basically… <br /> <br />IK: Do you know why? <br />10 <br /> <br />