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far as commissioners, your guys side, what would have to be drafted? I know it's again the Sierra
<br />Club, but how can we make up the plans where today's (unclear) and everything like that, to
<br />maybe amend the situation, possibly, because it's like example, right? Let's say nothing to do
<br />with game works a couple, goes to court, right? Children that are, you get one, one, whole
<br />layout. Things change in the future. You can always amend that, per se, right? So, I'm pretty sure
<br />when it comes to game management, something can be amended. So, is there, like, any, like, I
<br />don't know if that's in your area, to where it be like, what would be the steps in order to having
<br />something like that happen? You know, maybe not like any, slow it down, or potentially, what
<br />would I know the number is, they want to see zero, right? But with the decrease of the birds, to
<br />me, she being shot. And I always talk about this for the amount of decreasing the birds since the
<br />70s, they're being shot for nothing. So, it's like, what would the Sierra Club or the federal
<br />agencies need to have it amended? You know, with the whole devastation of the increase in
<br />foundational donation…
<br />JPC: Short answer, I don't know what legally would be needed. I know it's been (unclear), but and like
<br />court hearings, but there's been entities that have tried to take what's the state, or, you know,
<br />trying to, in short, amend those unfortunately, without success, to basically, I think what you're
<br />saying is to halt the federal mandate to sheep on the market for the sake of the Palila. I wish I
<br />could offer an answer, but I think in the process, that's all legal stuff, I think it'll be ongoing, and
<br />a lot of it is not just, I mean, the main at the forefront is to benefit Palila right, but it's also
<br />restore the rest of the Mountain, you know, to the health of the mountain in general. The main
<br />goal is to provide for habitat for Palila, but also, if it comes, you know, habitat for, you know,
<br />(unclear) and other forest birds that are out there, as well as the plants and insects. You know,
<br />there's argument on both sides. I mean, I've, you know, there'll be 37 and I've hunted up there,
<br />throughout my whole life. And, yeah, there's no hiding that the sheep are nowhere near what
<br />they used to be, but I've seen the forest change for the good and more difficult, right? The grass
<br />is taller. There's more to be seen. We've had rough droughts. That usually helps weed grow. You
<br />know, when you get veins after a drought, minus the sheep, but you know, on the other side the
<br />body, in most cases have been the healthiest I've ever seen it. You see a lot of regrowth of some
<br />of the other native plants that are out there. Nao, unfortunately, keeps getting hit by the insects
<br />that people call it. So, areas in (unclear) because the (unclear) are all dying, but yeah, finding the
<br />balance, I think, legally and environmentally, is difficult with sheep that are on Mauna Kea
<br />forest. But Yeah, it's tough because there's so many, so many people, so many levels involved.
<br />Yeah,
<br />TWC: You deal with Mauna Loa by chance?
<br />JPC: Do I deal with Mauna Loa? Yeah…
<br />TWC: My question on went off topic on this as well. But just to put it out there, do you think it would
<br />be an idea? Because you know how it's archery now, right? Do you think it'd be a good idea?
<br />Because I think of it is, like, for example, hunters, or whatever, you know, for 1942 flow, roads
<br />and stuff like that. Do you think it'd be a good idea to be like, open up those roads, to potentially
<br />have it for disabled hunters, or at least, like, when a season for hunting up in Mauna Loa for
<br />sheep?
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