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LT: Yes sir,
<br /> ?: (Steve Araujo) The sheep on the meat salvage, back in the 90's I set it up, there is a
<br /> provision in the rules that says, that anyone request meat from DOFAW DLNR...DLNR has
<br /> to provide the meat. It says that there, So I don't believe in wasting meat...inaudible...So
<br /> I requested all of the meat...for my personal use. So, I requested all of the meat up there
<br /> belongs to me. But what I did now... Talk to, at the time it was John Griffen he was the
<br /> head of Forestry, and I set it up. Whoever wanted meat or needed meat...had the sheep
<br /> accessible to them. Their drop of points suppose to be Kilohana check in station, behind
<br /> Mauna Kea State Park, and Hale Pohaku. You do not need a 4-wheel drive. After years
<br /> of watching them do it...in the beginning everything was going really smooth. I mean you
<br /> could go up there with a bicycle and take you meat, and I told them if there was one (1)
<br /> sheep, and had four (4) guys, that sheep had to be quartered so everybody be equal.
<br /> Okay, I kind a got overworked, other guys took over, that's when the thing, oh you need
<br /> a permit, oh, you need 4-wheel drive...oh you need to drive behind the mountain, that's
<br /> when all of that came up. So, I've been talking to the DLNR guy, and said trying to put
<br /> things straight...being that I've been reflected to this commission...this commission can
<br /> also reflect what I told you on to the DLNR. Because essentially like I said the meat is
<br /> mine...
<br /> LT: The original deal?
<br /> ?: (Steve Araijo) Yeah, but I haven't taken one read ounce. It's all, I gave it to the general
<br /> public. So, if you guys can put it back into perspective...ummm Steve Bergfeld, was in
<br /> forestry at the time, the retired person Jon DeMello, he also knows that, Ron Lockman,
<br /> John Griffen, they in a better place...these are people that are still there. That suppose to
<br /> know these things, so if you contact and ummm on DOFAW taking over the 16-mile
<br /> marker, that's BS. They cannot take over a section of forest for their own private thing.
<br /> Turn them in they have superiors, turn them in. ummm do not let, I mean stand your
<br /> ground...don't go overboard, stand your ground. You know the State and conservation
<br /> guys...okay thank you.
<br /> AA: (Abel Aquino) Just a few concerns off the bat. The manta permit although they're good
<br /> to have the boats permitted their uncapped, so talking to Capt. Bill Murta, his boat the
<br /> Nainoa, down at Keauhou Bay, showing me some footage of an average night out there,
<br /> where there can be an upwards of 30 boats, that creates a real problem especially with
<br /> swimmers and divers in the waters, in the dark. These boats are on motors, so the props
<br /> are spinning forward and backwards. We already had one (1) death out there, and super
<br /> concerning, I think the place is overpopulated and we need to consider, regulating the
<br /> amount of Manta permits out there. They are also$300.00 bucks'flat rate, which doesn't
<br /> make sense with the guys operating, the double haul Wa'a with only about 6 occupants
<br /> and the large boats having about 50 upwards of that, maybe the price should be adjusted
<br /> depending upon how many swimmers they have in the water at night. Definitely I think
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