2004-06-18 Police Commission Minutes

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Hawaii County Police Commissioner Regular Session Minutes June 18, 2004 Page 13 BERTSCH: Yes, because there's no accountability. I think that you can get rid of b) and c) and leave a) because basically b) and c) is reiterating what a) is asking you to do, right? Unconflicted loyalty is unconflicted loyalty to the interest of the community. DE SILVA: This is true except that it points out particular problems that occur so often, I thought that they should be mentioned, and this came from some other state thing. because conflicting loyalty such as to advocacy or interests groups and membership in other commissions or staff. In other words, that reminds people if you're doing these other things, it shouldn't conflict with your loyalty to the police commission. BERTSCH: Maybe a way to handle that, Paul, is that under i) where you have gotten into subparagraphs, familiar relationships, witnessing events, being a party to the complaint, maybe b) and c) ought to be subtopics of a) as more of reference because that would make sense. HARA: So, b) and c) would then be sub i. and ii. DE SILVA: No, I would like to speak against that because if you're looking at i., i. is talking about- BERTSCH: No, you have examples. You see under i., it says examples of personal bias, and then you go to the next page, top of 5, how you've listed them. Wouldn't b) and c) be examples of a)? DE SILVA: That's a different matter that you're talking about because in i., you're talking about disqualification in the outcome of the complaint. So, you're not disqualified in the outcome of the complaint if you have conflicting loyalty to the community necessarily. We're talking about two different ethical- BERTSCH: No, no, what I'm recommending is that a) would still stand but b) and c) would be sub headings of a). DE SILVA: I thought you said i. BERTSCH: No, no, I'm saying the format. DE SILVA: Okay. BERTSCH: I'm saying the format. I'm saying follow the format as exemplified in i. That would clarify it. DE SILVA: You want to make that motion?