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the cards, they're not soliciting, it's automatically sent <br />in prior. My intuitive knee jerk reaction was, "Hold on, you know, <br />something's not right with that. So when we started, and I looked at <br />it, in light of the County's Ethics Code, I sort of stepped back and <br />PC: Excuse me, but can we stop for just a moment... `cause everybody <br />was helping me with this [mikes]... and we're not connected so... <br />[break for a minute] <br />CHAIR: We're now on record. Mr. Lincoln Ashida, our Corporation <br />Counsel, we'd like for you to start again, sir. Please state your <br />position. <br />Mr. Ashida: When we initially began receiving these gifts, we... my initial knee <br />jerk reaction to it was... you know, was should it be something that <br />we should not retain... we should give back. But when we further <br />examined factually what was happening, when I was looking at our <br />Code of Ethics... you know, then I concluded that I didn't believe <br />that it was a problem... and what it all boiled down to in my mind <br />is... the process or procedures that we have in our office... that... the <br />court reporters' services are selected on a rotating basis. There is <br />no discretion there. It's... its, we've even actually... you know, <br />actually have gotten letters or a letter from a court reporter that <br />complained about the process stating... hey, look, I can offer this to <br />you cheaper, you know, per page, why don't you go with me, <br />exclusively, and not... ice out everybody else. We kicked that <br />around, because we take all inquiries like that seriously. The <br />bottom line, with respect to the procurement of professional <br />services, quality is always something that can be considered. We <br />don't necessarily go with the cheapest guys. If that was the case, if <br />we hired special counsel attorneys, we'd be hiring the cheapest guy <br />on the street. That doesn't make sense. We want quality and <br />think it's good. We get a better product. I think when all of the <br />vendors know that they all have an equal shot, you know, I think the <br />worst thing is, when you see it on the contract when they tell you <br />they're iced in, and then, to me the quality could suffer. So actually <br />we get . But, with respect to this firm, you know, <br />maybe what felt... I felt a little uncomfortable about this in the <br />beginning, because it is a big Honolulu firm, you know, Carnazzo, a <br />big outfit. Maybe the feeling is that they afford to give gifts, but not <br />a small, one person, operation. But then, when I went back and <br />thought about it, and we looked at our policy in terms of our taking <br />it, really doesn't matter... big or small, you're going to get the same <br />about of work. You're not going to get favored in any way. You're <br />not going to be moved to the top of the list or what have you. <br />They're very nominal gifts, but, to me, the individual secretaries, <br />