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here today, to ask you for your time to consider this. We want to fulfill <br />this obligation, and we seek your guidance. <br />CHAIR: Thank you again, and kudos for your taking the initiative to do so, on <br />both scores. Need we ask more? <br />WJ: I'd just like to comment—you sound like a high school teacher. I mean, <br />we don't get overtime, or after hours. We do lots of extra work and we <br />still get the job done. That's what public service is, and I don't think <br />it's reserved to attorneys, with all due respect. <br />CHAIR: And if it spills over to a fax transmittal or a phone call made, I think <br />it's clearly it's de minimis, is that the term, de minimis, is the guiding <br />principle there. Any concerns? <br />ASHIDA: Well if I just may add, you know, we appreciate the fact that our office <br />provides you legal service on a routine basis. But you know, Mr. Kim <br />is here, and by all means, if you have any questions or concerns, I <br />believe you have opportunity to discuss them privately with Mr. Kim, <br />and that you're okay with that, because I just want to make sure that <br />CHAIR: We understand that. Do we have a need, do we have a need for a <br />private huddle with Mr. Kim at this point? <br />WJ: I do have several questions. <br />CHAIR: Okay. <br />WJ: And questions such as, you've seen public resources doing, doing their <br />normal work, or pro Bono work, and you've seen time towards that <br />end —these are all questions that I think need to be discussed. <br />CHAIR: All right. So do you want to discuss them openly, or privately? <br />WJ: It doesn't matter to me. <br />JDK: It's your call. <br />KK: I'd just like to preface my questions or remarks first, with the fact that, <br />Mr. Ashida here was destined to become a lawyer. Oh, man, he still has <br />that oratorical diction to him <br />ASHIDA: - -I was sick that day <br />10 <br />