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people like myself, you know, to assist her on that. And so then, it is true, as what
<br />Ms. Leithead -Todd isif you look at the definition of the Code, you know at
<br />some point I'm going to have to interface with all these guys who make the
<br />decision or make the recommendation. And I have to communicate. But the
<br />question is like, does the communication —you know, is my sole job
<br />communication on a generic level, or is the communication on an applicant -
<br />specific basis? And I would say that—if I have no application before the County
<br />Council, if I have no application before an agency, I'm not there. What I'm trying
<br />to do also, I'm trying to get a better understanding of the legislative history
<br />behind this lobbying requirement, and I didn't look at the State law. All I did was
<br />I just looked at the —when the County Council passed this legislation back in
<br />1984, 1984, the registration requirements. And if you look —it's very
<br />shallow. It doesn't say why— who —you know, it doesn't make any definition of
<br />who a lobbyist is, who is, and why. You know, it just made some minor
<br />corrections, and they just passed the ordinance, so I have no idea as far as like,
<br />why —and then I figure like, well, it may be in reference to the State law. And
<br />then if you ask yourself who are those guys who must register, or who register at
<br />the State level? And you have people who represent HELCOI have a list.
<br />There are people that represent the American Savings Bank, Kahala Beach,
<br />Kaiser Health Foundation, the Gas Company, Bishop Museum, Board of Water
<br />Supply. And so you look at what —who are these people, who are these
<br />individuals that are registering? And second, if you ask yourself like—at the
<br />legislature, do they consider applications? They don't. They consider broad
<br />definitions, and here at the County Council level, you know, if there are, like
<br />legislation relating to, like the public legal access —the Public Access Trust Fund,
<br />you know, where there was a lot of by, for example, the Sierra Club
<br />and other entities, you know, that's a generic legislation. You have on the other
<br />hand situations where people want to amend the solid waste code, you know the
<br />tipping fees, or what have you, and you have people who will get paid to
<br />represent interests on a generic level. But those are all . They're
<br />not like an application for a change of zone by Janice Oshiro, for residential to
<br />commercial, and it's very specific. And that's what I'm there for, on all of these
<br />specific legislation. I'm not there, like to lobby on whether certain bills, you
<br />know, broader bills, you know, should or should not be passed. If there's no
<br />application, there's no reason for my being there. And so I think that the measure
<br />. But on the other hand, the law is structured, the ordinance is
<br />structured, so that it covers everybody, then I say like, well, if it covers me then it
<br />should also cover, like, all of the civil engineers that have to have construction
<br />plans reviewed and approved, all of the surveyors that also prepare things —that
<br />any person that interfaces with an agency or the County Council, to testify, or
<br />makes presentations before the County Council, directly or indirectly they're
<br />trying to influence, on behalf of their clients, the passage of certain legislation.
<br />Sometimes you have lobbyists who are there to try to say, don't pass it, you know,
<br />paid people, paid individuals or paid firms, to say like, I don't want things to
<br />change. But in our situation— situations like applications, we're trying to prevail
<br />upon decision - makers to basically see it in the way that the application has.
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