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RW: I understand your comments as I pointed out already. Both your comments, charges, are <br />based on the second quarter mailing. And whatever was it your research, your diligence or just <br />your instincts that said that was a no, no? He just crossed a line here, in a sense. <br />NO: Essentially. <br />RW: Essentially. The opinion we have here from the State Ethics Board is just virtually <br />identical to that. Although Mr. Safarik explained why he feels perhaps, that his offense is a <br />lesser ones than this, even, the point is, was the second quarter cover sheet contained the link to <br />the <br />website - -that was the issue. Mr. Safarik is taking the initiative, if I've got it straight to rectify <br />that situation publicly and to refund the County Director of Finance for the amount incurred for <br />all the postage and mailing expenses associated with that second quarter mail out. Is that <br />correct? <br />GS: That is correct. <br />AL: I think it should be clear that, to me, it comes under this commingling. That would be <br />advisory opinion of our little reference number six, the Advisory Opinion No. 04 -04 references <br />in the last line, it says "Its the commingling of ...." So that the part that's the update on project <br />and program funding is not, doesn't seem to me, to be any different than the first one. <br />RW: We are scrambling to find where you are. Where are you? <br />AL: I'm looking at this document that was handed out that had all the little numbered... and its <br />page 4, number 6, this one that Bobby handed out with all the little numbers on it. <br />RW: Yeah. <br />AL: ... and its number 6? <br />RW: Public doesn't have this document, I don't believe. <br />AL: Page 4. At the top the Advisory Opinion No. 04 -04 references legislative rules that prohibit <br />joint use of campaign funds and legislative allowances to pay for newsletters. So the opinions <br />prevent the use, anyway that's campaign funds. But what it mentions here is the commingling so <br />that's the... <br />RW: So (inaudible) to the exact offense, as it were. <br />BLT: Actually, that opinion there had been prior legislative practice where the legislative <br />allowance has changed over the years and in some years there was not enough money in the <br />legislative allowance for legislators to mail a newsletter to their entire district so they had gone to <br />the campaign spending commission and asked "Can I use my campaign funds to pay for mailing <br />out my legislative newsletter ?" And earlier, back in 1998, the campaign spending commission <br />said yes, you can spend your money because it is a legitimate, related duty to being an elected <br />official. But, since 1998 there have been concerns at the State Legislature that by using <br />campaign funds to pay for the newsletter there was an appearance that the newsletter was now a <br />13 <br />