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RW: No, I think actually, I think Ms. Stocksdale is quite right, and we should rule basically on <br />the issue that she brings forth... <br />AL: Yeah, just on that petition. <br />RW: ... July mailing. We assume July mailing and we can rule just on the basis of that for the <br />reasons we have, essentially, in front of us from the Hawaii State Ethics Commission is a <br />perfectly legitimate reference, wouldn't you say? <br />BLT: It's remarkably similar because it is an ethics opinion that addresses a reference to a <br />campaign website. I, frankly, was surprised to find something that was that close to this situation <br />had already been decided by the State Ethics Commission. So I thought that it was really the <br />most relevant information that I could bring to the Board. <br />RW: And, I would also like to tell the public that we're blessed, really, that Bobby Jean <br />Leithead -Todd is our staff attorney. She was a key person in drafting ethics legislation for the <br />County of Hawaii, (inaudible). She was a councilwoman, councilperson, and she is a diligent <br />researcher who has hit the nail on the head in finding this State Ethics Commission ruling that is <br />identical to this. So, we are not coming at this, as I say, with any bias. We are not coming at this <br />with any blinders. We are coming at this coming at this in front of a community body. None of <br />us are here for money. We are here to do a public service, and I think we have heard enough to <br />make a ruling on this, don't you agree? <br />WJ: I do. <br />RW: So, unless you have any further testimonies offered, or further statements from the public I <br />think we can get onto the business of making a ruling. Specifically in regards to the two <br />complaints that Mr. Olesen and Ms. Stocksdale having to do with the July 2nd quarter mailing. <br />So, is anyone brave enough to make a motion here. We are abiding by, by the way, by the rules <br />of practice in which we will determine an informal advisory opinion, and... <br />AL: It's always the wording that gets you. <br />RW: Yeah, the wording. We just have to word it, essentially, ah we all know. I think, for the <br />record here that Mr. Safarik has been up front in saying "Hey, I recognize that the 2nd quarter <br />mailing that you attested was beyond the scope, (inaudible) he made restitution, made a public <br />apology and again this morning, so we will proceed (inaudible). <br />WJ: Do you want me to try? <br />RW: Give it a shot. <br />WJ: I would like to make a motion that we find that Councilmember Gary Safarik was in <br />violation of Hawaii Ethics Code 2 -83 and that on his second mailing he listed his campaign <br />web site. <br />RW: And can I put a qualifier in there and say that it was inadvertently or something to that <br />effect? Or do you want to say he was directly... <br />19 <br />