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Hale: None, and it was —I have to tell you that Emily was really upset she couldn't sell <br />it. I was the one that said to her, don't feel bad, you are a County person, you are <br />busy. I don't think that Aunty Lucille was going to be mad. I think she is going to <br />understand. She was feeling pretty low, and she was trying to get me to buy. I am <br />not going to buy any because I wasn't going to be in Laupahoehoe. It was $10 a <br />ticket. I didn't buy, and neither would Gwen. She was really sick, feeling really <br />sad about it, and I felt bad for her. I said, don't do that to yourself, they know you <br />are a County person now. You are not out there soliciting laulau and everything <br />else. You are busy doing this work. It was almost that same afternoon that Aunty <br />Lucille arrived, and it was the first time I met her. Very nice lady. Emily was <br />feeling really bad, I have to tell you. She was feeling really bad, and I think it <br />brought up an emotion. I don't think —even if she wasn't on this she would have <br />given, but it was that whole gesture that bothered me, and that whole saying, "I <br />want to help my Hawaiian people." You know, it is all the people, and I just sat <br />there and I did do the work. Malama Hawaii Nei got before Lions Club, that's in <br />our district. They got before anyone. <br />Chair: Let me continue along that line. After the discretionary funds were given, the <br />$5,000 was given to that organization, how did it come about that she was asked to <br />provide food for the Pahoa Town Meeting? <br />Hale: Because, um <br />Chair: —No, how did it come about? <br />Hale: Well, they called her. They called— <br />Chair: —They, who called her? <br />Hale: Gwen, excuse me, and I don't think that Gwen just did it on her own, they would <br />have had to sit down and plan this, and think of who to call to donate. That is <br />quite a bit of skirting, and I was the one that received two of the calls. She wasn't <br />at her desk, so I picked it up and I spoke with Lucille, and she was hurt. She said <br />"I don't know what they want." And I didn't know what she was talking about, <br />actually. I said, well I'll leave a message for Gwen. When Gwen got back to her <br />desk, I said Aunty Lucille called, and something about what do you folks want, <br />and she immediately called her back. <br />Chair: I'd like to now turn to Tim Gardner and how that came about. I have this sworn <br />statement here, and I'd like to ask you a couple questions concerning that. It <br />appears that your office was doing work for Mr. Gardner, is that correct? <br />Hale: Okay, at the advice of counsel I am going to assert my Fifth Amendment rights. <br />Chair: Okay. At some point, Mr. Gardner was very grateful for what the office was <br />doing, and he suggested making a $1,000 donation. Do you recall that? <br />23 <br />