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refrigerator for that Pahoa place, that it was just an idea. And that as of <br />your last meeting, which was last month, the paperwork has still just been <br />submitted, and it's working its way slowly through the system, and the <br />total is a thousand dollars. And I think that the schools are doing a good <br />job, and I think that they do deserve a refrigerator down in Pahoa, and I'm <br />not trying to hurt the community in any way. But I think that it's <br />important for people who are elected to these responsible positions —and <br />Emily controls the budget. $300,000 of the taxpayers' money. Now if the <br />Board, you know, thinks that she's not competent enough to be in a <br />hearing, then maybe your responsibility would be to look at that issue <br />rather than trying to pigeonhole and determine the honesty between who <br />said what and who said what. And you know, from the audience point of <br />view, my point of view, I felt like the whistleblower in this case really got <br />short shrift. And the other thing I took offense at were the lawyers voicing <br />their own ridicule at the procedure, including ridiculing things like Hunter <br />Bishop's blog, which is, to me, undemocratic. I mean, you know, people <br />who don't like the news close down newspapers and close off media and <br />outlets of truth. We don't think of those people as democratic, and that <br />was essentially the ridicule that came from the lawyers, that somehow this <br />blog is, you know, unseemly because somebody had dared actually say <br />something. And then later, when Ms. Hale explained how she had worked <br />her way through the system of redress here, at the County offices, and <br />literally nobody could help her. Because of the nature of her employment, <br />she was on her own. And that's when she started foundering and when <br />she went public. So those are the kinds of —that is in a nutshell what I <br />came to talk about. I think it's just inappropriate for attorneys to be <br />attorneys in the sense of representing our elected officials speak before <br />you. I think that those elected officials should speak for themselves. And <br />we as citizens and you as an ethics committee could understand how they <br />are thinking and what they're using to make their judgments and <br />determinations according to the statutes you're trying to impose. Lawyers <br />are hired as hired guns to make sure that the right answer comes up for <br />their clients —not the true answer, not necessarily even the truth. But that <br />the right answer, which is paid for, comes up. And you know, that's one <br />last lingering issue, is who's paying for all the lawyers. <br />CHAIR: Okay. John -- <br />ACHMAT: Thank you for your time. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to <br />CHAIR: Okay. Thank you. <br />ACHMAT: Did John? <br />DILL: No. No, thank you. <br />ACHMAT: Thanks. <br />7 <br />