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CHAIR: Sure.
<br />UDOVIC: I think you're going down a really dangerous path here, quite frankly, when
<br />you're starting to regulate communications between council members and their
<br />constituents. Interesting to note that Ms. Nahoopii did not even file this petition, it was
<br />someone else on her behalf. And I don't even know if that's—
<br />L UM: - -It is. A third party petition --
<br />UDOVIC: --you know, and I think you're going down a slippery slope, quite frankly.
<br />LUM: Well, it is in our —it is in our Code, so maybe the Code, you know, maybe the
<br />Code is not specific enough, and that's all we can go by is what we have in our Code of
<br />Ethics.
<br />CHAIR: We're not trying to set precedence here for future cases, and a lot of stuff that
<br />comes before us can be interpreted many different ways, but we do, when petitioned —
<br />regardless by whom —we do have to take into consideration the exact circumstances of
<br />the case, and we do have to rule. Personally, I don't feel council members or the mayor,
<br />or anybody else who's elected, should be calling people and expressing their opinions,
<br />right or wrong, on anything in an unfair or uncourteous manner. Like I said, we're not
<br />trying to set precedence, but this is just —it's not acceptable, it really isn't. Ms. Naeole?
<br />NAEOLE: Yeah. I just wanted to say, even though I said that first statement, you know- -
<br />because we all sat there and listened to the testimony. And so even though, you know,
<br />that's what it was projected out when the testimony was given —I said even though she
<br />sounded like that, but I understood where she was coming from. When you want
<br />something badly, you going try your best to put out your best performance. And so I
<br />didn 't feel like I was calling her `cause I was trying to make some trouble. I really
<br />didn't. That's why when I heard that something was filed against me, I was really
<br />shocked, yeah, because it wasn't my intention. And sometimes I do stuff —like you said, I
<br />get so much aloha, I don't know sometimes where —how to set my bearings. And I really
<br />was sympathetic to this girl. Like I said, the name is familiar to me because I went to
<br />school with some Nahoopii's when I was in Pahoa School in the 60's and the 70's. And
<br />so when —and then she said she had relatives in Kalapana, and I was like, oh, must know
<br />these people, because I was born in Pahoa, raised in Opihikao. I mean, I'm 51 years old,
<br />this month I'm going to be 52. So I must know these people. So when I —you know, and
<br />if I didn't have that —it was an email sent to my office, and so before the hearing I never
<br />see `um, and the next Monday when I came back, that's when I seen it on my desk, and
<br />that's why I gave her that call. My intention is never evil. I don't think I —you know, I
<br />don't have evil intentions. My intentions always clear and pono, and it's because I have
<br />some kind of connection with some kind higher power you know, and so that's why I
<br />really didn't think I was doing anything to try to harm his worker or, you know, put
<br />something out bad. It was just a thought, and some people thought that's how she
<br />sounded like at the hearing. But I said I understand where you're coming from. The
<br />mana `o means your thought. I understand your thought. And so I feel whatever you guys
<br />going come out with today, it's fine. If I screwed up, I got to deal with it. And it's, you
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