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all, " and it was like an affirmation. And then what Safarik did was, he basically said <br />what I recited in there, his explanation of why there's no conflict of interest —it is correct. <br />It is factually correct. So basically I said what I saw. <br />L UM: So, excuse me —Mr. Ashida, if you would just reiterate that. <br />ASHIDA: Sure. <br />L UM: What Mr. Safarik said, you're sort of requoting hereto Hunter Bishop as being — <br />you were giving that, you were saying that to Hunter so he would understand what was- <br />ASHIDA:. -- Right. 1 wasn't requoting, I was paraphrasing. <br />L UM: Paraphrasing what we really are, and what boards really are, boards and <br />commissions. <br />ASHIDA: Right, and actually that's exactly what yeah, it's accurate. <br />LUM: And so that Mr. Safarik —I didn't watch it —Mr. Safarik more or less was <br />explaining what boards and commissions do? <br />ASHIDA: I recall he said something like, as a board and commission —as volunteer <br />boards and commissioners, you are the decision - makers. As a matter offact, if you look <br />at the video, I think that Mr. Safarik was actually —I wouldn't go as far as say critical of <br />our office, but 1 think he used a phrase like it's not the high paid lawyers who make the <br />decisions, it's you make the decisions. You know, he didn't dump on my office or myself, <br />but he kind of said —he empowered the board and commission members, said you make <br />the decisions, you're not run by the hot— <br />JOSEPH: I object to this— <br />CHAIR: - -Hold on, let him finish— <br />JOSEPH: - -only because the video, if you admit it as evidence, which obviously a few of <br />you have seen, would say Mr. Ashida cannot speak for Mr. Safarik. I don't believe he can <br />speak to what's on the video. <br />L UM: I'm just trying to clarify —I'm trying to clarify this part of the letter. <br />JOSEPH: Well, 1 think all he can testify to is why he wrote the letter. <br />CHAIR: How about we let him testify, then. Please let him finish. Yes? <br />HEEL Y.- If I may respond. As I said, the Hawai `i Rules of Evidence does not apply to <br />this informal advisory hearing. <br />CHAIR: Okay. All right, Mr. Ashida, sorry. Go ahead. <br />22 <br />