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STEPHENS: Mr. Dill? We do have a copy of the communication I don't know if you <br />brought a copy of that <br />CHAIR: -­I do. Yeah, I do. Thanks. Keonipaaloa Choy? <br />CHOY: Aloha. These lands in Hdmdkua that we're talking about today what <br />ahupua `as are they? <br />CHAIR: I don't know. <br />CHOY.- Do you know of the lands? <br />CHAIR: No. <br />CHOY: Are they Kapulena, or Koholalele? <br />CHAIR: I don't know. <br />FEMALE VOICE: All of them. <br />CHOY: All of them? Oh, okay. Well, there's different laws that apply to these different <br />lands. The Koholalele is Konahiki land. It belongs to the Konohiki in allodial, and the <br />families, the heirs, or the trustees of the will would have control over that. No one else. <br />The county has no control over any Konohiki land. As for government lands, which <br />would be Kapulena, which was returned from Lunalilo to the government as <br />commutation fees for the lands he kept, like Pepe `ekeo, Kea `au, Honu `apo, all belong to <br />Lunalilo and the trustees and the beneficiaries of that trust. Okay, for the government <br />lands that you're talking about, the minister of interior has charge of those. That would <br />be the lieutenant governor. On approval of the cabinet council, or the privy council and <br />the king, which would be the governor. Now that council would be all of the mayors, <br />which is the governors, the director of health, the chief of police, and the attorney <br />general. All of these people have a say in the disposition of government lands. They also <br />have a say in the disposition of crown lands. The king, which is the governor in this case, <br />has to go to the four mayors, the governor is there, and the attorney general and all these <br />people, and agree with everyone the disposition of these lands any sales, anything. You <br />guys have to start abiding by the laws. These are the laws of the trust. These are express <br />conditions precedent on the trust. These conditions flow with the land, just like the <br />conditions of agriculture. All the conditions flow with the land and you need to be <br />apprised of these things and follow these laws. All of these laws go with the Mahele <br />trust, the lands. This is all part of the Mahele trust, the Pukekakaupa `a [spelling <br />uncertain], 1848, that's when the lands were given out from the king when he divided out <br />his interest from the Konohikis. And from there the Konohikis gave up their one -third <br />portion of the lands to the government, which created the government lands. These <br />government lands are listed in the 1859 civil code. They're also listed in the Mahele <br />book. They're also listed in the index of awards. The indices is an alternate index that <br />1929 one, there's incorrectness and some inaccurate reporting and some numbers <br />missing and all kinds of things. This book one that brother was talking about, 1845, <br />7 <br />