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terms of conflicts between wanting to preserve an area and the public wanting access, <br />which could lead to endangering the resources. Those are tough issues that need to be <br />looked at for every property when looking at acquisitions. <br />Mr. Replogle replied that was something that Chris Yuen brought up in relation to the <br />Kawa`a purchase. He asked the Commission what they envisioned that property to be. <br />The basic plan for Kawa`a, was for it to be a wilderness park, put in some composting, <br />toilet facilities, and just let it be as it is. <br />Mr. Yada stated whenever you look at acquisitions, you have to plan for that and <br />understand what the management demands would be. <br />Mr. Yung stated when listing the lands, the Commission should state how the place <br />would be managed so that the County Council won't question how are they going to pay <br />for this and the how they will pay for the management. <br />Mr. Replogle stated when the public takes ownership of places, it seemed to make a big <br />difference of what goes on there. If it's just the County doing it, they don't treat it very <br />nicely. Mr. Replogle stated as the community becomes involved, it seemed like they care <br />more about the land. <br />Mr. Yada stated with that issue, there are always good intentions, but in dealing with non- <br />profit and community groups, a lot of times the community group start off strong <br />however then it dies off due to various reasons. Then who gets stuck with that <br />responsibility? <br />Ms. Springer stated the County parks and restrooms are generally better maintained than <br />the State. Ms. Springer stated in her perspective, there's a high standard in Hawaii <br />County that they should be meeting for acquiring these properties. <br />Mr. Yada stated even the composting toilets are high in costs. They still need to be <br />serviced, maintained, cleaned, etc. <br />Mr. Flores asked Mr. Yada in his experience in the State land division, did they have a <br />cost based formula for determining a ball park figure for the management of these lands. <br />Mr. Yada stated not really, because the State owns what it owns. It's not like they <br />acquired a lot of lands. It had to be a public purpose for acquiring. Mr. Yada stated it <br />they acquired something, it was for a school or a park and they already had the agency <br />that would manage it. The State didn't just acquire properties for holding. Mr. Yada <br />stated they dealt with the maintenance and management issues as they came up. In most <br />cases, State land is just open and unmanaged unless it was assigned to a particular agency <br />for management. <br />Ms. Self stated in looking at the Ordinance, the fund could only be used to acquire lands <br />or entitlements (it described what kind of lands can be acquired) and also incidental costs, <br />M <br />