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CHR. SIRACUSA: Yes. MS. POINDEXTER: On the Community Development Plan for Waimea, does that include the Lakeland Community, or are you not including Lakeland in your planning? Are they part of the planning in your CDP? MR. HOFFMANN: I was pointing to Joe, and that's not right. They are; there is that effort. And indeed, the idea of the Waimea, Waikoloa, South Kohala Community is there. I think it goes back to the exact point again, that I was making before. It is difficult to see that we can include everybody all the time. But, I submit to you, by trying to fix one problem in Lakeland for a couple of thousand people, to the exclusion of an eight thousand member community in Waikoloa, is not solving the problem at all; in fact, it is straining for duality in order to see the success of that effort in the future. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: How were the CDP boundaries determined? MR. HOFFMANN: Difficult to describe, Mike; mostly through the Department of Planning. The Planning Department was the one who initially established those. There were a couple of people; this was done mostly during the time of Mayor Kim's Administration with Chris Yuen as the Planning Director. It was formulated, in general, through a resolution of the County Council in concert with the Administration at the time. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: They were not drawn to match the Council boundaries, is that correct? MR. HOFFMANN: There were one or two instances in which they weren't. The Kona one, for instance, spans two boundaries; and we argued vociferously against that. We fought; there was some good debate that there should be two Community Development Plans as far as that is concerned. But for the other areas, Puna aside, the North Kohala, the South Kohala, those were basically drawn as part of the political boundaries; the district boundaries, and done with, if you will, forethought, in understanding that planning for the future would include that type of effort because of the relationships that communities had drawn with themselves over a period of time. Don't forget, Waimea has been in existence since the late `60's, if you will. Their orientation has always been towards Waimea. In almost every aspect, that has been true. MR. CARVALHO: Regarding the CDP, I want to say that I want to thank Pete for his efforts in getting the CDP pushed. Right now, Kohala has a pretty good Community Plan. We are fortunate that we don't have other communities, except for one that is on the south side. Now, South Kohala has about three communities and I have to get back to see if Waimea is really included in the CDP of their entire community, even though part of it is in another district. Pete, can you answer that? MR. HOFFMANN: Margaret Wille, who is here, and I'm sure will be testifying on a whole other aspect, was, of course, a member of the Action Committee of the South Kohala Community Development Plan. She will be able to explain that in detail. I'm not quite 5