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MR. CARVALHO: Right along the gulch? MS. POINDEXTER: Yes, that gulch where you see Camp Road, that gulch right there. MR. MELROSE: The question will be how many votes are left in Hamakua? MR. MELROSE: Go down. CHR. SIRACUSA: So this is further away from the Wailuku River. MR. MELROSE: It comes up Haile Street, down by the Palace Theater, and comes up and comes around Haile Hill and then up, and then follows Ponahawai Street back up to Kaumana. I could see a small tweak in here to try and keep us on more noted boundaries, and I wish we didn't cut Hilo downtown quite so in half, but we could work with that. There are some small moves that could be made in there. MS. POINDEXTER: And I would like to point out like in Margaret Wille's testimony this morning about considering the ag district. It kind of breaks that Hamakua area which is known for its agriculture. It breaks it up because now you have Hilo and Pauilo and Kalopa will be on the very tail end of that district. MR. MELROSE: Hilo to me, at least as far up as Hakalau, most everybody comes into Hilo town as their town focus, so in a way it kind of links the rural connection into the old portion of town. It is less than half of the old district that went out into Wainaku. When I looked at this one it was about 6,000 or 7,000 votes from into Wainaku into the edge of this boundary today. So it's not a dominant piece; it is not the majority of that vote. The majority of that vote still lives out on the coastline. CHR. SIRACUSA: You are saying the rural vote is not diluted. MR. MELROSE: Well, it certainly is diluted, because it has the town in there, but it is a town that is connected. Most people from Papaikou, Pepeekeo, Hilo is there. It may not be their mailbox, but it's where they come to do most of their-- - MS. POINDEXTER: But still, they are ag. Their business, their lifestyle is based around agriculture, even if you have to go into Hilo. I come into Hilo all the time too because it is the only place I can do business. There is nothing out in Hamakua, like if I needed building supplies. But I'm saying about ag; even out in that area, Honoka` a is such a big, and Kukuihaile; a lot of ag. Waimea, yes there are farms and stuff too. But listen to Margaret's testimony too, we have to take that into consideration. This kind of splits it out. MR. MELROSE: I'm not dis- comfortable with this solution from a Hilo side of it. My experience is that there is a natural flow here. And it actually makes a representative whose responsibility is to both things, which I think doesn't necessarily mean one or the other; it means both; and that is key. Somehow, the idea that we are supposed to have representatives who only W