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MR. MIDDLESWORTH: I drew it this way primarily to bring District 6 back from being so close to the eastern edge of the island. I mean, you are talking about a district that runs 100 miles across there when it gets over to Kurtistown. I just don't think that is a reasonable district. That is why this is this way. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: Madam Chair, I would, based on how I see Kona having two distinct districts, and with the overflow into Ka`u as a Kona /Ka`u District; whereas before it was always referred to as a Ka`u District with some of Kona. The connotation is almost the same as it used to be or was or is in Puna; where we were in three places. We were part of District 2, so everybody was still a Hilo, Puna connection. The disconnect was that Puna, most of the time, never considered themselves part of Hilo. So I see this map as having done that; taking Puna almost in its entirety and made two districts out of it with the overflow having to go to Hilo; then the Kona two districts, with the overflow having to go into Ka` u. CHR. SIRACUSA: In terms of the labeling of these things, part of, I think, what created a lot of bad feelings in Puna was the fact that it was never called Ka` u /Puna Mauka. It was called Ka`u, as though Puna Mauka didn't exist. If it's called Ka`u /South Kona, which makes people feel it is more inclusive. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: I will give you my perspective here. In Puna, lifelong Puna residents were people from Puna. You went from Hilo to Puna. In Ka`u, you went from Hilo to Ka`u. But in Ka`u, there was always a distinction from South Kona is that they always referred to themselves. Maybe it was nomenclature, but they always referred to themselves. think Dru raised that question of Miloli`i being as South Kona. Because you can go to Miloli`i and they will tell you they are part of Kona. They are not the Ka`u district. MR. MELROSE: Just a point of clarification or correction. You said that Kona has two seats. In fact, Kona has a seat, and then it shares a seat with Waikoloa in this circumstance. I want to emphasize too, if we start to make those distinctions like it's a Kona seat, it's like the Hilo vote in this other one. It is a blended vote. It is a vote that picks up some of the realities of Puna, some of the realities of the north Hilo area. We have called the Hamakua coast the Hamakua vote, but it is actually a north Hilo, south Hilo vote. So, those words are just getting us in trouble, because that is not the fair way to look at it. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: Yes, but only because there is the Ordinance that is there. I am only looking at the overflow. I made it clear to the people we had to talk to in Puna, Kea` au and Pahoa that there is going to be an overflow. May I just remind the Commissioners, what we heard was a group of people also who were saying keep it Puna. You cannot, with the overflow. So that is all I was trying to say. In Kona, it would be nice if all of it could stay there, but there is an overflow. In Hilo you are going to be short; Hamakua too. MR. KANUHA: I would like to also say that it does currently there is two distinct Kona districts; and yes it does dissolve those two distinct Kona districts by bringing in all of Waikoloa and leaving out a lot of South Kona. So by creating those two distinct Puna districts or those two distinct Hilo districts, this map kind of dissolves the two distinct Kona districts. I just wanted to say that. 23