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would hope that you folks might do, is after this is done, we still have the software, we still have the maps; and I'm sure that we all feel that maybe some of the rules that you had to live with to do this process would merit some change. I think that one of the ways that you could lend credence to that, is to manipulate the software, change one of the rules, hypothetically; and then manipulate the maps and the software and say, gee, it could have been better; could we have come up with a better solution? I really hope that somehow that can happen so that at the next census period, maybe we will even have a better result; not to say that we don't have a good one. But as Rene has pointed out from the beginning, whatever we do, it will be a compromise. And thank you very much for your effort. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you very much, Richard. We have another testifier in Pahoa. MS. LIVELY: Thank you Madam Chair, we actually have one more after our next testifier who is Joyce Folena; and she is speaking in support of the Draft, and representing herself. JOYCE FOLENA (At this time Joyce Folena came forward via videoconference from Pahoa to address members of the Commission.) MS. FOLENA: Thank you very much Madam Chairman, and all members of the Redistricting Commission for the opportunity to speak to you. I want to make this comment on record. I understand from speaking to my representative, Rene Siracusa, by telephone today, that Kea`au Shopping Center is in District 5. I'm just saying that for confirmation on the record, that's all. Again, I support the Draft in place, and except for a few clean up pieces here and there, I support passing this draft and naming it your Final Plan on November 30th. Thank you. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you, Joyce. You realize, I hope - - -You are aware, are you not, that there is no population in the Kea`au Shopping Center? Thank you. Do we have one more testifier in Pahoa? MS. LIVELY: Yes, our final testifier tonight is Greg Smith. He is speaking in support of the Draft in place, and representing himself. GREG SMITH (At this time Greg Smith came forward via videoconference from Pahoa to address members of the Commission.) MR. SMITH: Thank you again for allowing us to speak; the public input and public participation. Do accept this draft as is except for minor clean ups and I suppose running it through the legal beagles and make sure there is nothing outlandishly lawless. Anyway, it looks good to me; thanks. Again, just a few little minor things. It is great; I have to commend everyone of you in this process. We have gone through three day long meetings so far; I hope the County Council can take a few lessons from this as far as cooperation and how to get things done; even difficult things such as voting redistricting. 9